No, hits=-8.8 required=7.0
	tests=EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,FUDGE_MULTIHOP_RELAY,IN_REP_TO,
	      KNOWN_MAILING_LIST,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,RCVD_IN_MULTIHOP_DSBL,
	      RCVD_IN_UNCONFIRMED_DSBL,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,
	      USER_AGENT_APPLEMAIL
	version=2.40-cvs

No, hits=-5.7 required=5.0
	tests=AWL,IN_REP_TO,KNOWN_MAILING_LIST,NOSPAM_INC,
	      QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,
	      SIGNATURE_SHORT_SPARSE
	version=2.50-cvs

On 9 Aug 2002, Gary Lawrence Murphy wrote:
> This only restates the assertion, it doesn't clarify /how/ government
> restrains you, other than under laws of criminal conduct and violent
> crimes (if you meant the above literally)
Of course. What we need is an anonymous betting pool on prominent
spammer's time of demise. Unfortunately, the government tends to take a
dim view of this, for some unfathomable reason.
> If I can trace a spammer to their ISP, I can /generally/ get that
> account revoked, and if you trace one to their parent corporation, I
Uh, account revokation doesn't have quite the same level of deterrence as
cranial indentation with a heavy, blunt object. Honestly, how many people
will still spam if they knew they'd be running a real risk of losing life
and limb?
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    Tue, 27 Aug 2002 21:53:44 +0100

> Ultimately, there was a big
> disagreement about how to sell the product (sales guys wanted to sell
> the thing for a gazillion dollars to megaclients, but we thought it
> would make more sense to get more people using it so we could get more
> feedback from many different places).  The bottom line was that the
> route we wound up going (megaclients for megabucks) had a megalong
> sales cycle.  The sales force staffed up and tried to sell the
> earliest releases of the software -- even succeeding in a few
> significant cases -- but couldn't get enough to cover their own
> expenses, much less the actual development of the product.
Now where have I seen that before.... oh yeah... its happening to me right
now...