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From fork-admin@xent.com  Tue Sep 24 10:49:29 2002

Mr. FoRK:
>Of the three lying politicians, which liar would you take?
No, no. The riddle is, asking only one question, how
do you determine which is which? "If I were to ask
you whether he would say you were a crook, or if the
other had sex ..?"
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Depends on how much over spending vs. how much (and what type) over
regulation.
The biggest problem with over regulation is the costs can be invisible.
It also has the ability to single out particular people, while over
spending spreads the damage more evenly.  Rent control would be an
example of a regulation solution that is in general worse than spending
tons of money on public housing.
As for the definition of a liberal being someone who seeks to impose
both, I find no fault in that definition whatsoever.  The opinion that
EITHER we are spending too much OR we have too much regulation is pretty
much anathema to liberal politics.
Finally, those who argue that there are private replacements for much
government regulation are not saying that a state of nature (no private
replacements, no government regulation) is better than government
regulation itself.
And in my experience people who label themselves 'Green' (which does not
include everyone who loves trees and thinks smokestacks are ugly) is a
watermelon.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: fork-admin@xent.com [mailto:fork-admin@xent.com] On Behalf Of
Geege
> Schuman
>
> funny. i read it as green = red, as in accounting, as in fiscally
> irresponsible.  which do you think is the worse indictment -
> overregulation
> or overspending?  there are many (dickheads) who buy into the
> neo-conservative media's (fox's) definiton of "liberal" as "one who
seeks
> to
> impose both."