On Thu, 19 Sep 2002, Bill Stoddard wrote:
--]Good points all but they don't apply in this case.  Someone is speaking and
--]a group of selfish bastards only interested in getting their rocks off are
--]trying to shout him down (they are doing it because 'it's good for the
--]soul'. Kind like Chuckie Manson doing the stuff he did cause 'it was good
--]for his soul'). Unprincipled and evil. It's got nothing to do with throwing
--]tea in the harbor or the DoI.
History is written by the victors. If the rabble can put forth there ideas
they will be tempered in the pages of yore as "strong willed voices
decrying the obvious injustices of the day"
Once again, look at the Chicago 7, a loud and rude a crowd of selfish
pricks as you were want to find in the day. History of course colors them
with times great blur filter. The jagged bits that , at the time, were
called rude and obnoxious are now seen as a stab of justive doing in the
sideof the ill pathed goverment.

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Kragen Sitaker" <kragen@pobox.com>
> > It's an exclamation that may allude to a ship striking some rock or
> > other obstacle so hard that her timbers shiver, or shake, so implying a
> > calamity has occurred. It is first recorded as being used by Captain
> > Frederick Marryat in /Jacob Faithful/ in 1835: "I won't thrash you Tom.
> > Shiver my timbers if I do".
I think it went like this: "I won't thrash you Tom, if you shiver my
timber..."
Or maybe that was just the butt pirates...

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