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On Wed, 18 Sep 2002, Tom wrote:
> The others are on mailing list only status for now. A few of the
> groups I was in that are run by others are harder to deal with since
> many folks just dont want to have to deal with the inconvienence of a
> understanding.
I've terminated a number of my own mailing lists at yahoogroups many
months ago because of similiar sentiments. I've tried lobbying other
people to move, but with about zero success.
I've got currently only one own mailing list there, which I'm going to
move as soon as it is technically possible (which is my ISP's problem,
basically). After that, I intend to kick yahoogroups for good.

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| Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 15:13:23 +0100
| From: Ronan Cunniffe <ronan@cunniffe.net>
|
| Um, my test was to tee to a fifo I didn't read from... resulting
| in the other reader hanging around forever.... not realising that
| never-opened-for-reading and opened-and-later-closed might be
| different.
ah!  yes!  this is one of those gotchas everyone stumbles
over.  the writer of a never-opened-for-reading pipe will
quickly block (as soon as the pipe's limited buffer fills
up).  but the writer of opened-and-later-closed pipe gets
an EPIPE error (and the usually-terminal SIGPIPE signal).
the typical stumble is someone creates an anonymous pipe
with pipe(2), but forgets to close(2) the reader's fd in
the writer-process (or visa-versa) .... and then wonders
why the real reader never sees an EOF and/or the writer
is never gets an EPIPE/SIGPIPE.  various FAQs and many
books probably discuss this topic in depth to the death.
|             Sensible behaviour has now been observed.
good!  and good luck.
cheers,
-blf-
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