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From: <bitbitch@magnesium.net>
> the parties -are- screaming and shouting over
> political figures because they cannot be heard (to those figures) in
> any other way.
The right to speak is not the same as the right to be heard by the audience
of the speakers choice.
Disruptive protests might be a means to create awareness - but that's a
pretty lame way to do it. If it truly is the only way, then I'm all for it,
but disruption for the sake of showing how committed the protesters are is
pretty weak.

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> From: Owen Byrne <owen@permafrost.net>
> A flippant remark that I will probably regret  -
> sure there's assholes everywhere. I just remember a lunch in Spain with
> a semi-famous American - I think we had about 10 nationalities at the
> table, and he managed to insult each of them within
> 15 minutes. A historical perspective makes me think that empires -
> Roman, British, Russian, American, whatever - produce
>  a larger proportion of assholes than subject nations (and are more
> likely to have them in positions of authority).
Yep, those that win battles collect tthe spoils.  Lead and breed.  Want it to be
different?  Lead, don't whine.