RDX2 X   Emails$ ,   zzzz@localhost.netnoteinc.com from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by phobos.labs.netnoteinc.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D03E543C36 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 07:36:16 -0400 (EDT) from phobos [127.0.0.1] by localhost with IMAP (fetchmail-5.9.0) for zzzz@localhost (single-drop); Thu, 22 Aug 2002 12:36:16 +0100 (IST) from listman.spamassassin.taint.org (listman.spamassassin.taint.org [66.187.233.211]) by dogma.slashnull.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g7MBYrZ04811 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 12:34:53 +0100 from listman.spamassassin.taint.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by listman.redhat.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8386540858; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 07:35:02 -0400 (EDT) , exmh-workers@listman.spamassassin.taint.org from int-mx1.corp.spamassassin.taint.org (int-mx1.corp.spamassassin.taint.org [172.16.52.254]) by listman.redhat.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10CF8406D7 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 07:34:10 -0400 (EDT) (from mail@localhost) by int-mx1.corp.spamassassin.taint.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g7MBY7g11259 for exmh-workers@listman.redhat.com; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 07:34:07 -0400 from mx1.spamassassin.taint.org (mx1.spamassassin.taint.org [172.16.48.31]) by int-mx1.corp.redhat.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id g7MBY7Y11255 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 07:34:07 -0400 from ratree.psu.ac.th ([202.28.97.6]) by mx1.spamassassin.taint.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id g7MBIhl25223 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 07:18:55 -0400 from delta.cs.mu.OZ.AU (delta.coe.psu.ac.th [172.30.0.98]) by ratree.psu.ac.th (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g7MBWel29762; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 18:32:40 +0700 (ICT) from munnari.OZ.AU (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by delta.cs.mu.OZ.AU (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g7MBQPW13260; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 18:26:25 +0700 (ICT)  Robert Elz  ; Chris Garrigues  $ exmh-workers@spamassassin.taint.org  Re: New Sequences Window + <1029945287.4797.TMDA@deepeddy.vircio.com> <1029945287.4797.TMDA@deepeddy.vircio.com> <1029882468.3116.TMDA@deepeddy.vircio.com> <9627.1029933001@munnari.OZ.AU> <1029943066.26919.TMDA@deepeddy.vircio.com> <1029944441.398.TMDA@deepeddy.vircio.com>  1.0  text/plain; charset=us-ascii ! <13258.1030015585@munnari.OZ.AU> $ exmh-workers@spamassassin.taint.org * exmh-workers-admin@spamassassin.taint.org * exmh-workers-admin@spamassassin.taint.org $ exmh-workers@spamassassin.taint.org  2.0.1  bulk B  -  ,  J Discussion list for EXMH developers  ,  G  Thu, 22 Aug 2002 18:26:25 +0700  ; Message-ID: <1029945287.4797.TMDA@deepeddy.vircio.com>   ! | I can't reproduce this error.  @For me it is very repeatable... (like every time, without fail).  /This is the debug log of the pick happening ...  t18:19:03 Pick_It {exec pick +inbox -list -lbrace -lbrace -subject ftp -rbrace -rbrace} {4852-4852 -sequence mercury} h18:19:03 exec pick +inbox -list -lbrace -lbrace -subject ftp -rbrace -rbrace 4852-4852 -sequence mercury 18:19:04 Ftoc_PickMsgs {{1 hit}} 18:19:04 Marking 1 hits 518:19:04 tkerror: syntax error in expression "int ...  +Note, if I run the pick command by hand ...  bdelta$ pick +inbox -list -lbrace -lbrace -subject ftp -rbrace -rbrace 4852-4852 -sequence mercury 1 hit  HThat's where the "1 hit" comes from (obviously). The version of nmh I'm using is ...  delta$ pick -version Spick -- nmh-1.0.4 [compiled on fuchsia.cs.mu.OZ.AU at Sun Mar 17 14:55:56 ICT 2002]  +And the relevant part of my .mh_profile ...  delta$ mhparam pick -seq sel -list   GSince the pick command works, the sequence (actually, both of them, the Gone that's explicit on the command line, from the search popup, and the 0one that comes from .mh_profile) do get created.  kre  Ips: this is still using the version of the code form a day ago, I haven't Jbeen able to reach the cvs repository today (local routing issue I think).    /_______________________________________________ Exmh-workers mailing list Exmh-workers@redhat.com 8https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-workers  text  header body spam    zzzz@localhost.netnoteinc.com from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by phobos.labs.netnoteinc.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0314547C66 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 08:52:58 -0400 (EDT) from phobos [127.0.0.1] by localhost with IMAP (fetchmail-5.9.0) for zzzz@localhost (single-drop); Thu, 22 Aug 2002 13:52:59 +0100 (IST) from n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.71]) by dogma.slashnull.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id g7MCrdZ07070 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 13:53:39 +0100 U sentto-2242572-52733-1030020820-zzzz=spamassassin.taint.org@returns.groups.yahoo.com Y from [66.218.67.198] by n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Aug 2002 12:53:40 -0000  timc@2ubh.com  zzzzteana@yahoogroups.com 0 (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 22 Aug 2002 12:53:39 -0000 ? 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IThe officers seized an automatic rifle the man was carrying, then the man Kgot out of the truck and was taken into custody, NTV said. No other details were immediately available. KThe man had demanded talks with high government officials, the Interfax and JITAR-Tass news agencies said. Ekho Moskvy radio reported that he wanted to +talk with Russian President Vladimir Putin. JPolice and security forces rushed to the Security Service building, within Lblocks of the Kremlin, Red Square and the Bolshoi Ballet, and surrounded the Dman, who claimed to have one and a half tons of explosives, the news Lagencies said. Negotiations continued for about one and a half hours outside @the building, ITAR-Tass and Interfax reported, citing witnesses. JThe man later drove away from the building, under police escort, and drove Eto a street near Moscow's Olympic Penta Hotel, where authorities held Hfurther negotiations with him, the Moscow police press service said. 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Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.01)  Mail message body , "Martin Adamson"   1.0 K list zzzzteana@yahoogroups.com; contact forteana-owner@yahoogroups.com ' mailing list zzzzteana@yahoogroups.com  bulk /  Thu, 22 Aug 2002 14:50:31 +0100 / Re: [zzzzteana] Nothing like mama used to make  zzzzteana@yahoogroups.com  text/plain; charset=US-ASCII  7bit 7From martin@srv0.ems.ed.ac.uk Thu Aug 22 14:54:39 2002# Return-Path Delivered-To Received Received Received X-Egroups-Return Received X-Sender X-Apparently-To Received Received Received Received Received Received Received Organization To Message-Id Priority In-Reply-To X-Mailer Content-Description From MIME-Version Mailing-List Delivered-To Precedence List-Unsubscribe Date Subject Reply-To Content-Type Content-Transfer-Encoding From-init  N> I just had to jump in here as Carbonara is one of my favourites to make and  > ask  :> what the hell are you supposed to use instead of cream?   HIsn't it just basically a mixture of beaten egg and bacon (or pancetta,  Nreally)? You mix in the raw egg to the cooked pasta and the heat of the pasta  'cooks the egg. That's my understanding.  Martin  H------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> 4 DVDs Free +s&p Join Now 8http://us.click.yahoo.com/pt6YBB/NXiEAA/mG3HAA/7gSolB/TM H---------------------------------------------------------------------~->  1To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: forteana-unsubscribe@egroups.com     JYour use of Yahoo! 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Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.01)  Mail message body , "Martin Adamson"   1.0 K list zzzzteana@yahoogroups.com; contact forteana-owner@yahoogroups.com ' mailing list zzzzteana@yahoogroups.com  bulk /  Thu, 22 Aug 2002 14:54:25 +0100 0 [zzzzteana] Playboy wants to go out with a bang  zzzzteana@yahoogroups.com  text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1  8bit I from quoted-printable to 8bit by dogma.slashnull.org id g7MDt8Z09193 7From martin@srv0.ems.ed.ac.uk Thu Aug 22 14:54:40 2002# Return-Path Delivered-To Received Received Received X-Egroups-Return Received X-Sender X-Apparently-To Received Received Received Received Received Received Received Organization To Message-Id Priority X-Mailer Content-Description From MIME-Version Mailing-List Delivered-To Precedence List-Unsubscribe Date Subject Reply-To Content-Type Content-Transfer-Encoding X-MIME-Autoconverted From-init& The Scotsman - 22 August 2002  % Playboy wants to go out with a bang      N AN AGEING Berlin playboy has come up with an unusual offer to lure women into O his bed - by promising the last woman he sleeps with an inheritance of 250,000 (160,000).    K Rolf Eden, 72, a Berlin disco owner famous for his countless sex partners, M said he could imagine no better way to die than in the arms of an attractive $ young woman - preferably under 30.    M "I put it all in my last will and testament - the last woman who sleeps with 6 me gets all the money," Mr Eden told Bild newspaper.    M "I want to pass away in the most beautiful moment of my life. First a lot of L fun with a beautiful woman, then wild sex, a final orgasm - and it will all - end with a heart attack and then Im gone."    M Mr Eden, who is selling his nightclub this year, said applications should be G sent in quickly because of his age. "It could end very soon," he said.   H------------------------ Yahoo! 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Scottish Microelectronics Centre A Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; SunOS sun4u; en-US; rv:1.1b) Gecko/20020628 en, en-us  zzzzteana@yahoogroups.com # <3D64FA3C.13325.63A5960@localhost> * Stewart Smith  stochasticus  1.0 K list zzzzteana@yahoogroups.com; contact forteana-owner@yahoogroups.com ' mailing list zzzzteana@yahoogroups.com  bulk /  Thu, 22 Aug 2002 15:01:20 +0100 / Re: [zzzzteana] Nothing like mama used to make  zzzzteana@yahoogroups.com  text/plain; charset=US-ASCII  7bit 8From Stewart.Smith@ee.ed.ac.uk Thu Aug 22 15:05:07 2002! Return-Path Delivered-To Received Received Received X-Egroups-Return Received X-Sender X-Apparently-To Received Received Received Received Received Message-Id Organization User-Agent X-Accept-Language To References From X-Yahoo-Profile MIME-Version Mailing-List Delivered-To Precedence List-Unsubscribe Date Subject Reply-To Content-Type Content-Transfer-Encoding From-init' Martin Adamson wrote: >  J> Isn't it just basically a mixture of beaten egg and bacon (or pancetta,  P> really)? You mix in the raw egg to the cooked pasta and the heat of the pasta  )> cooks the egg. That's my understanding. >   LYou're probably right, mine's just the same but with the cream added to the  Peggs. I guess I should try it without. Actually looking on the internet for a  Qrecipe I found this one from possibly one of the scariest people I've ever seen,  and he's a US Congressman: 5  (That's one of the worst non-smiles ever.  Stew Qps. Apologies if any of the list's Maine residents voted for this man, you won't  &do it again once you've seen this pic.  --  Stewart Smith :Scottish Microelectronics Centre, University of Edinburgh. http://www.ee.ed.ac.uk/~sxs/   H------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> 4 DVDs Free +s&p Join Now 8http://us.click.yahoo.com/pt6YBB/NXiEAA/mG3HAA/7gSolB/TM H---------------------------------------------------------------------~->  1To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: forteana-unsubscribe@egroups.com     JYour use of Yahoo! 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[zzzzteana] Meaningful sentences  zzzzteana@yahoogroups.com  text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1  8bit I from quoted-printable to 8bit by dogma.slashnull.org id g7ME1rZ09290 7From martin@srv0.ems.ed.ac.uk Thu Aug 22 15:05:07 2002# Return-Path Delivered-To Received Received Received X-Egroups-Return Received X-Sender X-Apparently-To Received Received Received Received Received Received Received Organization To Message-Id Priority X-Mailer Content-Description From MIME-Version Mailing-List Delivered-To Precedence List-Unsubscribe Date Subject Reply-To Content-Type Content-Transfer-Encoding X-MIME-Autoconverted From-init~ The Scotsman   Thu 22 Aug 2002    Meaningful sentences     Tracey Lawson      M If you ever wanted to look like "one of the most dangerous inmates in prison O history", as one judge described Charles Bronson, nows your chance. Bronson - H the serial hostage taker, not the movie star - has written a health and J fitness guide in which he shares some of the secrets behind his legendary  muscle power.    O Solitary Fitness - a title which bears testament to the fact that Bronson, 48, N has spent 24 of his 28 prison years in solitary confinement - explains how he N has turned himself into a lean, mean, fitness machine while living 23 hours a K day in a space just 12 feet by eight feet, on a diet of scrubs grub and at  virtually no cost.    M The book is aimed at those who want to get fabulously fit without spending a J fortune on gym memberships, protein supplements or designer trainers, and N starts with a fierce attack on some of the expensive myths churned out by the  exercise industry.    O "I pick up a fitness mag, I start to laugh and I wipe my arse with it," is the N opening paragraph penned by Bronson. "Its a joke and a big con and they call 8 me a criminal!" You cant help feeling he has a point.    M This is not the first book that Bronson has written from behind bars, having L already published Birdman Opens His Mind, which features drawings and poems H created by Bronson while in prison. And he is not the first prisoner to H discover creative expression while residing at Her Majestys pleasure.    N Jimmy Boyle, the Scots sculptor and novelist, discovered his artistic talents K when he was sent to Barlinnie Prisons famous special unit, which aimed to I help inmates put their violent pasts behind them by teaching them how to I express their emotions artistically. Boyle was sentenced to life for the O murder of "Babs" Rooney in 1967. Once released, he moved to Edinburgh where he L has become a respected artist. His first novel, Hero of the Underworld, was N published in 1999 and his autobiography, A Sense of Freedom, was made into an  award-winning film.    M Hugh Collins was jailed for life in 1977 for the murder of William Mooney in H Glasgow, and in his first year in Barlinnie prison stabbed three prison E officers, earning him an extra seven-year sentence. But, after being K transferred to the same unit that Boyle attended, he learned to sculpt and N developed an interest in art. He later published Autobiography of a Murderer, K a frank account of Glasgows criminal culture in the 1960s, which received  critical praise.    O And Lord Archer doesnt seem to have had trouble continuing to write the books K that have made him millions while in jail. He recently signed a three-book M deal with Macmillan publishers worth a reported 10 million, and is no doubt  scribbling away as we speak.    E So why is it that men like Collins, Bronson and Boyle, who can be so N destructive towards society on the outside, can become so creative once stuck M on the inside? Steve Richards, Bronsons publisher, has published many books J about criminal figures and believes the roots of this phenomenon are both  pragmatic and profound.    K He says: "Prison is sometimes the first time some criminals will ever have I known a stable environment, and this can be the first time they have the + chance to focus on their creative skills.    J "It may also be the first time that they have really had the chance of an K education, if their early years have been hard. It could be the first time H anyone has offered them the chance to explore their creative talents."    K However, Richards believes the reasons are also deeper than that. He says: N "Once they are behind bars, the cold light of day hits them, and they examine # the very essence of who they are.    M "They ask themselves, am I a man who wants to be remembered for violence? Or N am I a man who can contribute to society, who can be remembered for something  good?"    M Bronson - who was born Michael Gordon Peterson, but changed his name to that M of the Hollywood star of the Death Wish films - has, so far, been remembered J mainly for things bad. He was originally jailed for seven years for armed N robbery in 1974, and has had a series of sentences added to his original term I over the years as a result of attacking people in prison. In 2000 he was N jailed for life after being convicted of holding a teacher hostage for nearly  two days during a jail siege.    I Standing five feet ten and a half inches tall and weighing 210lbs, he is L renowned for his strength. He has bent metal cell doors with his bare hands O and does up to 3,000 - yes, 3,000 - press-ups a day. As he puts it: "I can hit J a man 20 times in four seconds, I can push 132 press ups in 60 seconds."    H But judging by our current obsession with health and exercise, Solitary I Fitness might be the book which will see Bronsons face sitting on every N coffee table in the land. He might be the man to give us the dream body which N so many so-called fitness gurus promise but fail to motivate us into. Because I Bronson has learned to use words as powerfully as he can use his fists.    L "All this crap about high-protein drinks, pills, diets, its just a load of K bollocks and a multi-million-pound racket," he writes, in what can only be L described as a refreshingly honest style. "We can all be fat lazy bastards, M its our choice, Im sick of hearing and reading about excuses, if you stuff = your face with shit you become shit, thats logical to me."    M As motivational mantras go, that might be just the kick up the, er, backside  we all needed.      O Solitary Fitness by Charles Bronson is published by Mirage Publishing and will 1 be available in bookstores from October at 7.99   H------------------------ Yahoo! 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David H=?ISO-8859-1?B?9g==?=hn  -     1.0  YES  YES  text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"  7bit  Nothing found, baby 0 [SAdev] Interesting approach to Spam handling.. 1 spamassassin-devel-admin@example.sourceforge.net 1 spamassassin-devel-admin@example.sourceforge.net + spamassassin-devel@example.sourceforge.net 2.0.9-sf.net  bulk I  4  ,  E SpamAssassin Developers  ,  B  Thu, 22 Aug 2002 16:19:48 +0200 Thu, 22 Aug 2002 16:19:48 +0200 MFrom spamassassin-devel-admin@lists.sourceforge.net Thu Aug 22 15:25:29 2002! Return-Path Delivered-To Received Received Received Received Received Received User-Agent From To Message-Id MIME-Version X-Trusted X-From-Laptop Content-Type Content-Transfer-Encoding X-Mailscanner Subject Sender Errors-To X-Beenthere X-Mailman-Version Precedence List-Help List-Post List-Subscribe List-Id List-Unsubscribe List-Archive X-Original-Date Date From-init AHello, have you seen and discussed this article and his approach?  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Get a new here for FREE! =https://www.inphonic.com/r.asp?r=sourceforge1&refcode1=vs3390 /_______________________________________________ Spamassassin-devel mailing list (Spamassassin-devel@lists.sourceforge.net ?https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-devel  text  header body spam! 3   zzzz@localhost.netnoteinc.com from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by phobos.labs.netnoteinc.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF2DD43F9B for ; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 11:27:24 -0400 (EDT) from phobos [127.0.0.1] by localhost with IMAP (fetchmail-5.9.0) for zzzz@localhost (single-drop); Thu, 22 Aug 2002 16:27:24 +0100 (IST) from usw-sf-list2.sourceforge.net (usw-sf-fw2.sourceforge.net [216.136.171.252]) by dogma.slashnull.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g7MFJHZ11964 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 16:19:17 +0100 from usw-sf-list1-b.sourceforge.net ([10.3.1.13] helo=usw-sf-list1.sourceforge.net) by usw-sf-list2.sourceforge.net with esmtp (Exim 3.31-VA-mm2 #1 (Debian)) id 17htfq-0001G0-00; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 08:15:02 -0700  from www.ctyme.com ([209.237.228.10] helo=darwin.ctyme.com) by usw-sf-list1.sourceforge.net with esmtp (Cipher TLSv1:DES-CBC3-SHA:168) (Exim 3.31-VA-mm2 #1 (Debian)) id 17htfa-0006Zq-00 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 08:14:47 -0700 from m206-56.dsl.tsoft.com ([198.144.206.56] helo=perkel.com) by darwin.ctyme.com with asmtp (TLSv1:RC4-MD5:128) (Exim 3.35 #1) id 17htgP-0004te-00; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 08:15:37 -0700  <3D64FFC4.5010908@perkel.com>  Marc Perkel  L Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.1b) Gecko/20020721 en-us, en  1.0 % Theo Van Dinter  + spamassassin-devel@example.sourceforge.net 0 Re: [SAdev] Live Rule Updates after Release ??? @ <3D64F4E8.7040000@perkel.com> <20020822151134.GD6369@kluge.net> , text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed  7bit 1 spamassassin-devel-admin@example.sourceforge.net 1 spamassassin-devel-admin@example.sourceforge.net + spamassassin-devel@example.sourceforge.net 2.0.9-sf.net  bulk I  4  ,  E SpamAssassin Developers  ,  B  Thu, 22 Aug 2002 08:14:12 -0700 Thu, 22 Aug 2002 08:14:12 -0700 MFrom spamassassin-devel-admin@lists.sourceforge.net Thu Aug 22 16:27:25 2002! Return-Path Delivered-To Received Received Received Received Received Received Message-Id From User-Agent X-Accept-Language MIME-Version To Cc Subject References Content-Type Content-Transfer-Encoding Sender Errors-To X-Beenthere X-Mailman-Version Precedence List-Help List-Post List-Subscribe List-Id List-Unsubscribe List-Archive X-Original-Date Date From-init LYes - great minds think alike. But even withput eval rules it would be very  Auseful. It would allow us to respond quickly to spammer's tricks.  Theo Van Dinter wrote: >> On Thu, Aug 22, 2002 at 07:27:52AM -0700, Marc Perkel wrote: >  L>>Has anyone though of the idea of live updates of rules after release? The  L>>idea being that the user can run a cron job once a week or so and get the  ?>>new default rule set. This would allow us to react faster to: >  >  J> I suggested this a few months ago. I don't remember the details of what G> came out of it except that it would only be useful for non-eval rules #> since those require code changes. >     7------------------------------------------------------- @This sf.net email is sponsored by: OSDN - Tired of that same old %cell phone? 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Looney"   linux-raid@vger.kernel.org  ilug@linux.ie ! <20020822152545.GJ3670@jinny.ie>  valen@tuatha.org * linux-raid@vger.kernel.org, ilug@linux.ie y <200208172056.g7HKuHm05754@raq.iceblink.org> <1029624922.14769.119.camel@atherton> <20020819140815.GY26818@jinny.ie>  1.0  text/plain; charset=us-ascii  inline " <20020819140815.GY26818@jinny.ie> Mutt/1.4i ! Red Hat Linux 7.3/Linux 2.4.18-3 " http://www.redbrick.dcu.ie/~valen - http://www.redbrick.dcu.ie/~valen/public.asc . [ILUG] Re: Problems with RAID1 on cobalt raq3  ilug-admin@linux.ie  ilug-admin@linux.ie  1.1  bulk ) Irish Linux Users' Group   ilug@linux.ie 2From ilug-admin@linux.ie Thu Aug 22 16:27:21 2002" Return-Path Delivered-To Received Received Received Received Received X-Authentication-Warning Received Received Date From To Cc Message-Id Reply-To Mail-Followup-To References MIME-Version Content-Type Content-Disposition In-Reply-To User-Agent X-Os X-Url X-Gnupg-Publickey Subject Sender Errors-To X-Mailman-Version Precedence List-Id X-Beenthere From-init COn Mon, Aug 19, 2002 at 03:08:16PM +0100, John P. Looney mentioned: J> This is likely because to get it to boot, like the cobalt, I'm actually 6> passing root=/dev/hda5 to the kernel, not /dev/md0.   ; Just to solve this...the reason I was booting the box with Eroot=/dev/hda5, not /dev/md0 was because /dev/md0 wasn't booting - it "would barf with 'can't find init'.  G It turns out that this is because I was populating md0 with tar. Which Dseems to have 'issues' with crosslinked files - for instance, it was Htrying to make a hard link of glibc.so to hda - and failing. It was only Has I did it again with a friend present, that he spotted the errors, and Hqueried them. We noticed that the hard linked files just didn't exist on the new rootfs.  G When we duplicated the filesystems with dump instead of tar, it worked Ifine, I was able to tell lilo to use root=/dev/md0 and everything worked.   Woohoo.  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I like all my exmh stuff M> > > in nice columns (fits the display better). That is, I use the detache > d K> > > folder list, one column. The main exmh window takes up full screen, 9> > > top to bottom, but less than half the width, etc... >  L> I thought about that. The first order approximation would be to just add  Q> using pack .... -side top instead of pack ... -side left, however, since their  .> each a different width, it would look funny.  LI've done this. It's not as pretty as I think it should be, but it works.  EI'm going to leave the cosmetic issues to others. When I update the  3documentation, I'll add this to the exmh.TODO file.  II'm leaving for a 2 1/2 week vacation in a week, so this is the last new  Jfunctionality I'm going to add for a while. Also, I now have pretty much  Leverything in there that I want for my own use, so I'm probably pretty much  Hdone. I'll work on bug fixes and documentation before my vacation, and  %hopefully do nothing more afterwards.  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Owen u---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------  ?http://www.bayarea.com/mld/mercurynews/news/opinion/3900215.htm  .Internet can level the political playing field !By Mike McCurry and Larry Purpuro  HNOT many months from now, people across the country will experience one  Cof the great recurring features of American democracy. At shopping  Bmalls, on factory floors, at church socials and even on our front  Istoops, we will be approached by individuals who want to represent us in  >public office. While chances are high that we won't know them  Gpersonally, they will walk up to us, offer a handshake and a flier and  ask for our votes.  FJust as technology is affecting every other area of communication, it  Ihas begun to affect the way political candidates communicate with voters.  HIn this year's GOP gubernatorial primary, California Secretary of State  DBill Jones, who faced better-funded candidates, acquired the e-mail  Faddresses of more than a million potential California voters and sent  .each an unsolicited e-mail asking for support.  GThat day, he might have chosen any of the more traditional -- and more  Fexpensive -- methods of contacting voters, such as direct mail, radio  Ispots or TV ads. But he spent only about 2 cents per message, instead of  B35 cents or more per message for direct mail or in another medium.  IHad Jones chosen direct mail, radio or TV, that communication would have  Ibeen equally ``unsolicited,'' as defined in the e-mail world. Few voters  Cwould have ``opted in'' to receive campaign information from Jones  through any of those channels.  IThe response to Jones' e-mail effort, however, was swift and intense. He  Dwas lambasted by anti-spam advocates, and media coverage was almost  Fentirely negative. To be fair, some of Jones' tactics could have been  Crefined. He used a less-than-perfect list and no standard-practice  '``paid for'' disclaimer in the message.  GHis detractors, however, attacked him not for his tactical miscues but  Ibecause the e-mail was sent unsolicited. In fact, Jones' online campaign  Imay have been his most visible asset. In an era of cynicism toward money  Hin politics -- money typically spent on other unsolicited communication  2mediums -- Jones tried to level the playing field.  INo one likes commercial spam. It is irrelevant and untargeted and can be  Ehighly intrusive and even offensive. But as a sophisticated society,  ?it's time to differentiate commercial spam from very different  :unsolicited e-mail sent by political candidates to voters.  HThe debate is particularly relevant in light of legislation in Congress  Ithat would constitute the first federal law to directly address spam. We  Gbelieve e-mail is no more intrusive than direct mail, telemarketing or  GTV advertising when it comes to politicians seeking to reach voters. A  Esimple link in good e-mail campaigns allows recipients to opt out of  Hfuture mailings. 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I know there are  Fdifficulties with VoIP or connecting to clients connected to a NAT'ed  Dnetwork from the internet wild (i.e. machines with static, real IPs)  #any help pointers would be helpful,  cheers --  rgrds, Bernard --  HBernard Tyers * National Centre for Sensor Research * P:353-1-700-5273 * =E: bernard.tyers@dcu.ie * W: www.physics.dcu.ie/~bty * L:N117  /_______________________________________________ IIU mailing list IIU@iiu.taint.org )http://iiu.taint.org/mailman/listinfo/iiu  text  header body spam! !   zzzz@localhost.netnoteinc.com from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by phobos.labs.netnoteinc.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2AD843F99 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 12:19:25 -0400 (EDT) from phobos [127.0.0.1] by localhost with IMAP (fetchmail-5.9.0) for zzzz@localhost (single-drop); Thu, 22 Aug 2002 17:19:26 +0100 (IST) from n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.92]) by dogma.slashnull.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id g7MGBSZ13944 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 17:11:28 +0100 U sentto-2242572-52742-1030032689-zzzz=spamassassin.taint.org@returns.groups.yahoo.com X from [66.218.67.196] by n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Aug 2002 16:11:29 -0000  robert.chambers@baesystems.com  zzzzteana@yahoogroups.com 0 (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 22 Aug 2002 16:11:28 -0000 ? 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Return-Path Delivered-To Received Received Received X-Egroups-Return Received X-Sender X-Apparently-To Received Received Received Received Received To Message-Id In-Reply-To User-Agent X-Mailer From X-Originating-Ip X-Yahoo-Profile MIME-Version Mailing-List Delivered-To Precedence List-Unsubscribe Date Subject Reply-To Content-Type Content-Transfer-Encoding From-init$ 6--- In forteana@y..., "D.McMann" wrote: D> Robert Moaby, 33, who sent death threats to staff, was also jailed B> for hoarding indecent pictures of children on his home computer. > ========= >  C> Hmm, if I didn't trust our government and secret police, I could  look at > this another way....  ?There is a bit of circumstantial evidence - apparently some MT  Blisters were approached by him (via email) - a little research in  Edejanews/google groups showed a number of messages from him, clearly  Fhoping to contact girls, appearing in "alt.teens" and similar groups - C I just tried a Google Groups search on "Robert Moaby" and some of  them came top of the list.  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Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/     text  header body spam    zzzz@localhost.netnoteinc.com from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by phobos.labs.netnoteinc.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6622747C69 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 12:19:23 -0400 (EDT) from phobos [127.0.0.1] by localhost with IMAP (fetchmail-5.9.0) for zzzz@localhost (single-drop); Thu, 22 Aug 2002 17:19:23 +0100 (IST) from lugh.tuatha.org (root@lugh.tuatha.org [194.125.145.45]) by dogma.slashnull.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g7MGJoZ14241 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 17:19:50 +0100 from lugh (root@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by lugh.tuatha.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA09942; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 17:18:58 +0100 from smtpstore.strencom.net (ns1.strencom.net [217.75.0.66]) by lugh.tuatha.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA09917 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 17:18:50 +0100 ^ lugh.tuatha.org: Host ns1.strencom.net [217.75.0.66] claimed to be smtpstore.strencom.net from enterprise.wasptech.com (mail.wasptech.com [217.75.2.106]) by smtpstore.strencom.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C105CEE88; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 16:31:15 +0000 (AZOST) + Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.5762.3  urn:content-classes:message  1.0  text/plain; charset="us-ascii"  RE: [ILUG] Sun Solaris.. Thu, 22 Aug 2002 17:13:01 +0100 A <45130FBE2F203649A4BABDB848A9C9D00E9C8A@enterprise.wasptech.com>      [ILUG] Sun Solaris.. % AcJJ9p29v19nVAypRv25aSssWGeNQAAABtrw + "Fergal Moran"  = "Kiall Mac Innes" , "ILUG"   8bit A from quoted-printable to 8bit by lugh.tuatha.org id RAA09917  ilug-admin@linux.ie  ilug-admin@linux.ie  1.1  bulk ) Irish Linux Users' Group   ilug@linux.ie 2From ilug-admin@linux.ie Thu Aug 22 17:19:31 2002 Return-Path Delivered-To Received Received Received Received Received X-Authentication-Warning Received X-Mimeole Content-Class MIME-Version Content-Type Subject Date Message-Id X-MS-Has-Attach X-MS-Tnef-Correlator Thread-Topic Thread-Index From To Content-Transfer-Encoding X-MIME-Autoconverted Sender Errors-To X-Mailman-Version Precedence List-Id X-Beenthere From-init 4In a nutshell - Solaris is Suns own flavour of UNIX.  > -----Original Message----- 2> From: Kiall Mac Innes [mailto:kiall@redpie.com]  > Sent: 22 August 2002 17:23 > To: ILUG > Subject: [ILUG] Sun Solaris.. >  >  <> Can someone explain what type of operating system Solaris  => is... as ive never seen or used it i dont know wheather to  <> get a server from Sun or from DELL i would prefer a linux  ?> based server and Sun seems to be the one for that but im not  7> sure if Solaris is a distro of linux or a completely  4> different operating system? can someone explain... >  > Kiall Mac Innes >  >  > --  *> Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie  0> http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for  D> (un)subscription information. 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Discussion list for EXMH developers  ~ ,  <  Thu, 22 Aug 2002 18:26:25 +0700  ; Message-ID: <1029945287.4797.TMDA@deepeddy.vircio.com>   ! | I can't reproduce this error.  @For me it is very repeatable... (like every time, without fail).  /This is the debug log of the pick happening ...  t18:19:03 Pick_It {exec pick +inbox -list -lbrace -lbrace -subject ftp -rbrace -rbrace} {4852-4852 -sequence mercury} h18:19:03 exec pick +inbox -list -lbrace -lbrace -subject ftp -rbrace -rbrace 4852-4852 -sequence mercury 18:19:04 Ftoc_PickMsgs {{1 hit}} 18:19:04 Marking 1 hits 518:19:04 tkerror: syntax error in expression "int ...  +Note, if I run the pick command by hand ...  bdelta$ pick +inbox -list -lbrace -lbrace -subject ftp -rbrace -rbrace 4852-4852 -sequence mercury 1 hit  HThat's where the "1 hit" comes from (obviously). The version of nmh I'm using is ...  delta$ pick -version Spick -- nmh-1.0.4 [compiled on fuchsia.cs.mu.OZ.AU at Sun Mar 17 14:55:56 ICT 2002]  +And the relevant part of my .mh_profile ...  delta$ mhparam pick -seq sel -list   GSince the pick command works, the sequence (actually, both of them, the Gone that's explicit on the command line, from the search popup, and the 0one that comes from .mh_profile) do get created.  kre  Ips: this is still using the version of the code form a day ago, I haven't Jbeen able to reach the cvs repository today (local routing issue I think).    /_______________________________________________ Exmh-workers mailing list Exmh-workers@redhat.com 8https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-workers  text  header body spam    zzzz@localhost.netnoteinc.com from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by phobos.labs.netnoteinc.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD34B47C67 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 12:19:21 -0400 (EDT) from phobos [127.0.0.1] by localhost with IMAP (fetchmail-5.9.0) for zzzz@localhost (single-drop); Thu, 22 Aug 2002 17:19:21 +0100 (IST) from lugh.tuatha.org (root@lugh.tuatha.org [194.125.145.45]) by dogma.slashnull.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g7MGHJZ14177 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 17:17:19 +0100 from lugh (root@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by lugh.tuatha.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA09581; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 17:16:28 +0100 H lugh.tuatha.org: Host root@localhost [127.0.0.1] claimed to be lugh from redpie.com (redpie.com [216.122.135.208] (may be forged)) by lugh.tuatha.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA09518 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 17:16:08 +0100 from justin ([194.46.28.223]) by redpie.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA05201 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 09:15:59 -0700 (PDT) % "Kiall Mac Innes"   "ILUG"  Thu, 22 Aug 2002 17:23:15 +0100 0   1.0 ! text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"  7bit 3 (Normal)  Normal 3 Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) . Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200  Normal  [ILUG] Sun Solaris..  ilug-admin@linux.ie  ilug-admin@linux.ie  1.1  bulk ) Irish Linux Users' Group   ilug@linux.ie 2From ilug-admin@linux.ie Thu Aug 22 17:19:25 2002 Return-Path Delivered-To Received Received Received Received X-Authentication-Warning Received Received From To Date Message-Id MIME-Version Content-Type Content-Transfer-Encoding X-Priority X-Msmail-Priority X-Mailer X-Mimeole Importance Subject Sender Errors-To X-Mailman-Version Precedence List-Id X-Beenthere From-init LCan someone explain what type of operating system Solaris is... as ive never Lseen or used it i dont know wheather to get a server from Sun or from DELL i Jwould prefer a linux based server and Sun seems to be the one for that but Eim not sure if Solaris is a distro of linux or a completely different (operating system? can someone explain...  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(8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7MGgjn4090705 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 17:42:46 +0100 (IST) (envelope-from padraig.brady@corvil.com)  <3D651472.7080101@corvil.com> Thu, 22 Aug 2002 17:42:26 +0100 ) Padraig Brady   Corvil Networks A Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:0.9.9) Gecko/20020408 en-us, en  1.0  ilug@linux.ie  Re: [ILUG] Sun Solaris.. f <45130FBE2F203649A4BABDB848A9C9D00E9C8A@enterprise.wasptech.com> <20020822163641.GN3670@jinny.ie> . text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed  8bit  ilug-admin@linux.ie  ilug-admin@linux.ie  1.1  bulk ) Irish Linux Users' Group   ilug@linux.ie 2From ilug-admin@linux.ie Thu Aug 22 17:45:54 2002 Return-Path Delivered-To Received Received Received Received Received X-Authentication-Warning Received Message-Id Date From Organization User-Agent X-Accept-Language MIME-Version To Subject References Content-Type Content-Transfer-Encoding Sender Errors-To X-Mailman-Version Precedence List-Id X-Beenthere From-init) John P. Looney wrote: C> On Thu, Aug 22, 2002 at 05:13:01PM +0100, Fergal Moran mentioned: >  6>>In a nutshell - Solaris is Suns own flavour of UNIX. >  >  F> Though I'm sure that this nice person would like a bit more detail. >  F> Solaris is quite different to Linux, though these days you can make J> solaris act a lot like linux with an extra CD of GNU tools Sun ship with H> solaris. It is based on the SysV unix family, so it's quite similar to !> other unixen like HPUX and SCO. >  L> Sun's hardware in general is more reliable, and a lot more expensive. One H> of the main bonuses you get by buying Sun is that you are getting your L> hardware and software from one company, so if you have a support contract, E> they have to fix it. They can't fob you off with 'that's a software -> problem, talk to the software vendor.' etc. >  J> If you are set on Linux, you most likely can do your own support. There L> is then a world of different hardware options. You can run Linux on Sparc, H> though some companies like RedHat don't maintain a sparc port anymore. >  I> You can also buy your machine from linux-oriented companies like DNUK, H> who do machines designed to run linux, and their own version of linux, L> that has a few extras for their machines. Or, you can get a machine from a J> cheaper company like Dell, and it'll most likely work, most of the time.  )Why do you say Dell is cheaper than DNUK?  !It gets a bit complicated though! 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Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 ( "leslie ellen jones"   luned23  1.0 K list zzzzteana@yahoogroups.com; contact forteana-owner@yahoogroups.com ' mailing list zzzzteana@yahoogroups.com  bulk /  Thu, 22 Aug 2002 10:19:48 -0700 & Re: [zzzzteana] Which Muppet Are You?  zzzzteana@yahoogroups.com  text/plain; charset=US-ASCII  7bit /From lejones@ucla.edu Thu Aug 22 18:29:58 2002# Return-Path Delivered-To Received Received Received X-Egroups-Return Received X-Sender X-Apparently-To Received Received Received Received Received Received Message-Id To References X-Priority X-Msmail-Priority X-Mailer X-Mimeole From X-Yahoo-Profile MIME-Version Mailing-List Delivered-To Precedence List-Unsubscribe Date Subject Reply-To Content-Type Content-Transfer-Encoding From-init4 Hey, it's not easy being green.  leslie  Leslie Ellen Jones, Ph.D. )Jack of All Trades and Doctor of Folklore lejones@ucla.edu  )"Truth is an odd number" -- Flann O'Brien  ----- Original Message -----  From: Dino  To: zzzzteana@yahoogroups.com  * Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2002 10:13 AM 0 Subject: RE: [zzzzteana] Which Muppet Are You?    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Your message of "Thu, 22 Aug 2002 18:42:33 BST."  Thu, 22 Aug 2002 19:11:19 +0100  ilug-admin@linux.ie  ilug-admin@linux.ie  1.1  bulk ) Irish Linux Users' Group   ilug@linux.ie 2From ilug-admin@linux.ie Fri Aug 23 11:07:47 2002 Return-Path Delivered-To Received Received Received Received X-Authentication-Warning Received Received Received Received Message-Id X-Mailer To From Subject In-Reply-To Date Sender Errors-To X-Mailman-Version Precedence List-Id X-Beenthere From-init#  ,> On Thu, 22 Aug 2002, John P. Looney wrote: 0> > Sun's hardware in general is more reliable, > ROFL. not in our experience.  &Well at least our Caps-Lock keys work:  peter@staunton.ie said: H> Another problem. I have a Dell branded keyboard and if I hit Caps-Lock I> twice, the whole machine crashes (in Linux, not Windows) - even the on/ A> off switch is inactive, leaving me to reach for the power cable > instead.  :-P  bauwolf@indigo.ie said: :> as if he wanted Solaris 9 for x86, he'd be waiting a bit )erm... it runs Solaris x86 as standard...  Cheers, ~Al  --  FExpressed in this posting are my opinions. They are in no way related 2to opinions held by my employer, Sun Microsystems. ?Statements on Sun products included here are not gospel and may be fiction rather than truth.    --  'Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie Khttp://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. $List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie  text  header body spam    zzzz@localhost.netnoteinc.com from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by phobos.labs.netnoteinc.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93D8944160 for ; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 06:06:44 -0400 (EDT) from phobos [127.0.0.1] by localhost with IMAP (fetchmail-5.9.0) for zzzz@localhost (single-drop); Fri, 23 Aug 2002 11:06:44 +0100 (IST) from xent.com ([64.161.22.236]) by dogma.slashnull.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g7MIPTZ19588 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 19:25:29 +0100 from lair.xent.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by xent.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94BC22940D4; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 11:23:08 -0700 (PDT)  fork@spamassassin.taint.org from localhost.localdomain (pm7-32.sba1.netlojix.net [207.71.222.128]) by xent.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C7AD294099 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 11:22:33 -0700 (PDT) d (from dave@localhost) by maltesecat (8.8.7/8.8.7a) id LAA21283; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 11:11:58 -0700 # <200208221811.LAA21283@maltesecat>  fork@spamassassin.taint.org # RE: The Curse of India's Socialism Message from fork-request@xent.com of "Wed, 21 Aug 2002 11:30:03 PDT." <20020821183003.25673.41476.Mailman@lair.xent.com>  Dave Long   fork-admin@xent.com  fork-admin@xent.com  fork@spamassassin.taint.org  2.0.11  bulk ,  %  Z ,  ' Friends of Rohit Khare  ` ,  "  Thu, 22 Aug 2002 11:11:57 -0700 2From fork-admin@xent.com Fri Aug 23 11:08:20 2002 Return-Path Delivered-To Received Received Received Received Delivered-To Received Received Message-Id To Subject In-Reply-To From Sender Errors-To X-Beenthere X-Mailman-Version Precedence List-Help List-Post List-Subscribe List-Id List-Unsubscribe List-Archive Date From-initK   B> You have multiple generations of E> peasants/squatters that cultivate and live on the lands almost as a &> human parts of the property package.  'When I'd read that "getting legal title 'can take 20 years", when I believe that (1 year ought to be more than sufficient, '(and helped by the Cairo reference) I'd &assumed that we were talking about the urban poor.  &If I see people living in mansions, or 'even in suburban subdivisions, I assume &they didn't have too much trouble with their titles.  &If I see people living in shanties and %haphazard alleyways, I tend to assume &their parcels weren't exactly recorded (on the government maps, or paid for with *a bank loan, especially when nearby vacant )lots have shotgun wielding men presumably *intent on keeping them "development" free.  (Now, it may be that "Manhattanites' view (of America" to say that outside of Metro (Manila, Davao, and maybe another city or (two (Cebu?), everything else (literally) )is the boondocks. But going on that very (broad assumption, I guess I'm describing (the flip side of Mr. Roger's experience: (the paisanos (who leave behind those who (remain on a patron's rural land) move to )Manila, and (the second assumption) squat )in shantytowns there, at least until they can line up a middle-class job.  )So, going on two large assumptions, I can )come up with a scenario under which title (would take 20 years: a shantytown arises 'somewhere in the midst of a section (or )whatever the Spanish used to divvy up the (land) and it takes decades of arguing to (put together a package which somehow can )both compensate the owner and record lots 'for the inhabitants. Just transferring )title to an existing lot, between parties *who have money, ought not to be a problem.  $The obvious solution, at least to us &barking farting chihuahuas on FoRK, is (to "introduce market mechanisms". It is 'left as an exercise to come up with one (which works when many of the agents (are "perceived to) have negligible NPV.  -Dave  J> [land reform] meant that all the agricultural producers had 5> to plant crops all the time (profitable or not) ...  (What happened to more highly-capitalized (land? Putting in trees instead of crops #sounds like it might sidestep that.  >> Mr. Long, I think you'd particularly enjoy the De Soto work.  %On the "to find" list. 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Barrera III"  ? Chris Haun ,  Re: lifegem  <3D653874.8010204@barrera.org> ;   1.0  TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII  fork-admin@xent.com  fork-admin@xent.com  fork@spamassassin.taint.org  2.0.11  bulk ,  %  Z ,  ' Friends of Rohit Khare  ` ,  "  & Thu, 22 Aug 2002 15:25:24 -0400 (EDT) 2From fork-admin@xent.com Fri Aug 23 11:08:26 2002 Return-Path Delivered-To Received Received Received Received Delivered-To Received Received Received From To Cc Subject In-Reply-To Message-Id MIME-Version Content-Type Sender Errors-To X-Beenthere X-Mailman-Version Precedence List-Help List-Post List-Subscribe List-Id List-Unsubscribe List-Archive Date From-init  1On Thu, 22 Aug 2002, Joseph S. Barrera III wrote: @--]Why wait until you're dead? 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Ciaran Johnston  nologic.org   5 Re: [ILUG] Formatting a windows partition from Linux Thu, 22 Aug 2002 20:58:07 +0100 KMail/1.4.1 f <1029944325.29456.28.camel@dubrhlnx1> <26030.194.237.142.30.1029943301.squirrel@mail.nologic.org> < <26030.194.237.142.30.1029943301.squirrel@mail.nologic.org>  1.0 $ <200208222058.07760.cj@nologic.org>  8bit A from quoted-printable to 8bit by lugh.tuatha.org id UAA19403  ilug-admin@linux.ie  ilug-admin@linux.ie  1.1  bulk ) Irish Linux Users' Group   ilug@linux.ie 2From ilug-admin@linux.ie Fri Aug 23 11:07:51 2002 Return-Path Delivered-To Received Received Received Received X-Authentication-Warning Received Received Received Content-Type From Organization To Subject Date User-Agent References In-Reply-To MIME-Version Message-Id Content-Transfer-Encoding X-MIME-Autoconverted Sender Errors-To X-Mailman-Version Precedence List-Id X-Beenthere From-initJ GUpdate on this for anyone that's interested, and because I like closed  ?threads... nothing worse than an infinite while loop, is there?  LI ended up formatting a floppy on my flatmate's (un-networked) P100 running  KFAT16 Win95, and mcopied the contents of the bootdisk across. Now I have a  IFAT16 Win98 install running alongside Slackware, and can play Metal Gear  Solid when the mood takes me ;)  /Ciaran.  9On Wednesday 21 August 2002 16:21, Ciaran Johnston wrote: > Dublin said: K> > If you copy the files from your disk to the c: partition and mark it as > > active it should work ... > K> Yeah, I figured that, but it doesn't seem to ... well, if that's the case L> I'll give it another go tonight, maybe come back with some error messages. > I> Just to clarify for those who didn't understand me initially - I have a I> floppy drive installed, but it doesn't physically work. There's nowhere K> handy to pick one up where I am, and I don't fancy waiting a few days for > one to arrive from Peats. > > Thanks for the answers, > Ciaran. > 9> > You especially need io.sys, command.com and msdos.sys > > J> > your cd driver .sys and read the autoexec.bat and config.sys files for 3> > hints on what you did with your boot floppy  > > > > P > > 7> > On Wed, 2002-08-21 at 14:07, Ciaran Johnston wrote: > >> Hi folks, J> >> The situation is this: at home, I have a PC with 2 10Gig HDDs, and no J> >> (working) floppy drive. I have been running Linux solely for the last I> >> year, but recently got the urge to, among other things, play some of G> >> my Windoze games. I normally install the windows partition using a K> >> boot floppy which I have conveniently zipped up, but I haven't any way $> >> of writing or reading a floppy. > >> So, how do I go about: E> >> 1. formatting a C: drive with system files (normally I would use #> >> format /s c: from the floppy). H> >> 2. Installing the CDROM drivers (my bootdisk (I wrote it many years > >> ago) does this normally). #> >> 3. Booting from the partition? > >> E> >> I wiped all my linux partitions from the first drive and created J> >> partitions for Windows (HDA1) Slackware and RedHat. I used cfdisk for F> >> this. I made the first drive (hda) bootable. I then installed the J> >> windows partition in LILO and reran lilo (installed in MBR). I copied K> >> the contents of boot.zip to my new windows partition and tried to boot 3> >> it - all I get is a garbled line of squiggles. > >> H> >> Anyone any ideas? I can't think of anywhere in Athlone to get a new !> >> floppy drive this evening... > >> > >> Thanks, > >> Ciaran. > >> > >> > >> > >> -- ,> >> Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie C> >> http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription 6> >> information. 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Hauns  #___________________________________  Hauns Froehlingsdorf Network/Systems Manager infinetivity, inc. 952-225.4200 http://www.infinetivity.com    text  header body spam    zzzz@localhost.netnoteinc.com from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by phobos.labs.netnoteinc.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D6804416D for ; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 06:06:34 -0400 (EDT) from phobos [127.0.0.1] by localhost with IMAP (fetchmail-5.9.0) for zzzz@localhost (single-drop); Fri, 23 Aug 2002 11:06:34 +0100 (IST) from lugh.tuatha.org (root@lugh.tuatha.org [194.125.145.45]) by dogma.slashnull.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g7MLTQZ25658 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 22:29:26 +0100 from lugh (root@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by lugh.tuatha.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA23320; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 22:26:40 +0100 H lugh.tuatha.org: Host root@localhost [127.0.0.1] claimed to be lugh from relay06.indigo.ie (relay06.indigo.ie [194.125.133.230]) by lugh.tuatha.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA23285 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 22:26:30 +0100 j (qmail 8720 messnum 1046742 invoked from network[194.125.156.67/unknown]); 22 Aug 2002 21:26:29 -0000 x from unknown (HELO localhost) (194.125.156.67) by relay06.indigo.ie (qp 8720) with SMTP; 22 Aug 2002 21:26:29 -0000 Thu, 22 Aug 2002 22:25:12 +0100 # 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) , text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mark Twomey   ilug@linux.ie  7bit 1   Apple Mail (2.482)  [ILUG] Re: Sun Solaris  ilug-admin@linux.ie  ilug-admin@linux.ie  1.1  bulk ) Irish Linux Users' Group   ilug@linux.ie 2From ilug-admin@linux.ie Fri Aug 23 11:07:52 2002 Return-Path Delivered-To Received Received Received Received X-Authentication-Warning Received Received Received Date MIME-Version Content-Type From To Content-Transfer-Encoding Message-Id X-Mailer Subject Sender Errors-To X-Mailman-Version Precedence List-Id X-Beenthere From-init Al white wrote:  + >erm... it runs Solaris x86 as standard...  "It runs Solaris 8 x86 as standard. (I was joking Al)  M.   --  'Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie Khttp://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. $List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie  text  header body spam    zzzz@localhost.netnoteinc.com from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by phobos.labs.netnoteinc.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36CBB4416E for ; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 06:06:35 -0400 (EDT) from phobos [127.0.0.1] by localhost with IMAP (fetchmail-5.9.0) for zzzz@localhost (single-drop); Fri, 23 Aug 2002 11:06:35 +0100 (IST) from lugh.tuatha.org (root@lugh.tuatha.org [194.125.145.45]) by dogma.slashnull.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g7MM12Z26648 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 23:01:02 +0100 from lugh (root@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by lugh.tuatha.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA24933; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 22:59:25 +0100 H lugh.tuatha.org: Host root@localhost [127.0.0.1] claimed to be lugh from redpie.com (redpie.com [216.122.135.208] (may be forged)) by lugh.tuatha.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA24894 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 22:59:17 +0100 from justin ([194.46.28.223]) by redpie.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA03470 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 14:59:13 -0700 (PDT) * "Kiall Mac Innes"   "ILUG"  * RE: [ILUG] Newbie seeks advice - Suse 7.2 Thu, 22 Aug 2002 23:06:27 +0100 5   1.0 ! text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"  7bit 3 (Normal)  Normal 3 Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0)  Normal ! <3d65260f.948.0@mail.dnet.co.uk> . Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200  ilug-admin@linux.ie  ilug-admin@linux.ie  1.1  bulk ) Irish Linux Users' Group   ilug@linux.ie 2From ilug-admin@linux.ie Fri Aug 23 11:07:57 2002 Return-Path Delivered-To Received Received Received Received X-Authentication-Warning Received Received From To Subject Date Message-Id MIME-Version Content-Type Content-Transfer-Encoding X-Priority X-Msmail-Priority X-Mailer Importance In-Reply-To X-Mimeole Sender Errors-To X-Mailman-Version Precedence List-Id X-Beenthere From-init> Khehe sorry but if you hit caps lock twice the computer crashes? theres one Give never heard before... have you tryed Dell support yet? I think dell Kcomputers prefer RedHat... (dell provide some computers pre-loaded with red Ehat) i dont know for sure tho! so get someone elses opnion as well as mine...  -----Original Message----- HFrom: ilug-admin@linux.ie [mailto:ilug-admin@linux.ie]On Behalf Of Peter Staunton Sent: 22 August 2002 19:58 To: ilug@linux.ie .Subject: [ILUG] Newbie seeks advice - Suse 7.2   Folks,  Kmy first time posting - have a bit of Unix experience, but am new to Linux.   IJust got a new PC at home - Dell box with Windows XP. Added a second hard disk Jfor Linux. Partitioned the disk and have installed Suse 7.2 from CD, which went )fine except it didn't pick up my monitor.  EI have a Dell branded E151FPp 15" LCD flat panel monitor and a nVidia GeForce4 JTi4200 video card, both of which are probably too new to feature in Suse's default Iset. I downloaded a driver from the nVidia website and installed it using RPM. IThen I ran Sax2 (as was recommended in some postings I found on the net), but Hit still doesn't feature my video card in the available list. What next?  FAnother problem. I have a Dell branded keyboard and if I hit Caps-Lock twice, Jthe whole machine crashes (in Linux, not Windows) - even the on/off switch is :inactive, leaving me to reach for the power cable instead.  LIf anyone can help me in any way with these probs., I'd be really grateful - 1I've searched the 'net but have run out of ideas.  EOr should I be going for a different version of Linux such as RedHat? Opinions welcome.  Thanks a lot, Peter  -- 'Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie Khttp://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. $List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie   --  'Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie Khttp://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. $List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie  text  header body spam     zzzz@localhost.netnoteinc.com from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by phobos.labs.netnoteinc.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC1494416F for ; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 06:04:29 -0400 (EDT) from phobos [127.0.0.1] by localhost with IMAP (fetchmail-5.9.0) for zzzz@localhost (single-drop); Fri, 23 Aug 2002 11:04:29 +0100 (IST) from dogma.slashnull.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dogma.slashnull.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g7MNM9Z29719; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 00:22:09 +0100 from mail00.svc.cra.dublin.eircom.net (mail00.svc.cra.dublin.eircom.net [159.134.118.16]) by dogma.slashnull.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id g7MNJfZ29657 for ; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 00:19:41 +0100 (qmail 44295 messnum 519748 invoked from network[159.134.100.45/k100-45.bas1.dbn.dublin.eircom.net]); 22 Aug 2002 23:19:43 -0000 from k100-45.bas1.dbn.dublin.eircom.net (HELO ted.nua.ie) (159.134.100.45) by mail00.svc.cra.dublin.eircom.net (qp 44295) with SMTP; 22 Aug 2002 23:19:43 -0000 8 <5.1.1.6.0.20020823001344.0302c548@dogma.slashnull.org>  antoinmail@dogma.slashnull.org & QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1  iiu@taint.org, iiu@taint.org % Antoin O Lachtnain   Re: [IIU] Eircom aDSL Nat'ing 2 <1030032645.73395.1.camel@flapjack.netability.ie> 4 <3D650A2D.1000301@dcu.ie> <3D650A2D.1000301@dcu.ie>  1.0 . text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed  iiu-admin@taint.org  iiu-admin@taint.org  iiu@iiu.taint.org  2.0.10  bulk  iiu@taint.org h ,  ) Irish Internet Users    0  f ,  &  Fri, 23 Aug 2002 00:17:46 +0100 2From iiu-admin@taint.org Fri Aug 23 11:06:32 2002  Return-Path Delivered-To Received Received Received Received Received Received Message-Id X-Sender X-Mailer To From Subject In-Reply-To References MIME-Version Content-Type Sender Errors-To X-Beenthere X-Mailman-Version Precedence Reply-To List-Unsubscribe List-Id List-Post List-Help List-Subscribe List-Archive Date From-init, /At 17:10 22/08/2002 +0100, Nick Hilliard wrote: I> > apologies for the possible silly question (i don't think it is, but), (> > but is Eircom's aDSL service NAT'ed? > E>No - you get unfiltered access with a real (but dynamic) IP address. > D> > and what implications would that have for VoIP? I know there are I> > difficulties with VoIP or connecting to clients connected to a NAT'ed H> > network from the internet wild (i.e. machines with static, real IPs) > I>You will probably suffer from the high latency of DLS lines. Typically, F>you're talking about 50ms RTT to the local bas, which is pretty high. :>If your voip application can handle this, then you're ok. > >Nick  Jwhat's the deal with all this latency? it's not like that in other places  Gwhere I've used dsl. i read some story about it being done that way to  Jallow greater distances to be covered or something like that. however, my  Jknowledge of physics is really only newtonian, and I don't understand how  Hworsening latency could possibly improve the reliability of a 2000 foot  Ilong piece of copper. Perhaps it has something to do with stretching the  Jtime-space continuum? can someone explain this in words of five syllables  or less?  a.    0>_______________________________________________ >IIU mailing list >IIU@iiu.taint.org *>http://iiu.taint.org/mailman/listinfo/iiu  --  Antoin O Lachtnain >** antoin@eire.com ** http://www.eire.com ** +353-87-240-6691  /_______________________________________________ IIU mailing list IIU@iiu.taint.org )http://iiu.taint.org/mailman/listinfo/iiu  text  header body spam    zzzz@localhost.netnoteinc.com from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by phobos.labs.netnoteinc.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3AE1947C6D for ; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 06:06:54 -0400 (EDT) from phobos [127.0.0.1] by localhost with IMAP (fetchmail-5.9.0) for zzzz@localhost (single-drop); Fri, 23 Aug 2002 11:06:54 +0100 (IST) from xent.com ([64.161.22.236]) by dogma.slashnull.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g7N16TZ03375 for ; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 02:06:30 +0100 from lair.xent.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by xent.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6F482940E1; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 18:04:08 -0700 (PDT)  fork@spamassassin.taint.org from argote.ch (argote.ch [80.65.224.17]) by xent.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE0D3294099 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 18:03:05 -0700 (PDT) a by argote.ch (Postfix, from userid 500) id D63AEC44E; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 02:57:05 +0200 (CEST)  fork@spamassassin.taint.org  Re: Entrepreneurs % <20020823005705.D63AEC44E@argote.ch> ! harley@argote.ch (Robert Harley)  fork-admin@xent.com  fork-admin@xent.com  fork@spamassassin.taint.org  2.0.11  bulk ,  %  Z ,  ' Friends of Rohit Khare  ` ,  "  ' Fri, 23 Aug 2002 02:57:05 +0200 (CEST) 2From fork-admin@xent.com Fri Aug 23 11:08:50 2002 Return-Path Delivered-To Received Received Received Received Delivered-To Received Received To Subject Message-Id From Sender Errors-To X-Beenthere X-Mailman-Version Precedence List-Help List-Post List-Subscribe List-Id List-Unsubscribe List-Archive Date From-init Manoj Kasichainula wrote; &>http://www.snopes.com/quotes/bush.htm > @>Claim: President George W. Bush proclaimed, "The problem with =>the French is that they don't have a word for entrepreneur." > >Status: False.    @>Lloyd Grove of The Washington Post was unable to reach Baroness :>Williams to gain her confirmation of the tale, but he did ;>receive a call from Alastair Campbell, Blair's director of <>communications and strategy. "I can tell you that the prime <>minister never heard George Bush say that, and he certainly =>never told Shirley Williams that President Bush did say it," >>Campbell told The Post. "If she put this in a speech, it must >have been a joke."  FSo some guy failed to reach the source, but instead got spin doctor to Adeny it. Wot, is he thick enough to expect official confirmation >that, yes, Blair is going around casting aspersions on Bush???  IIt's an amusing anecdote, I don't know if it's true or not, but certainly Lnothing here supports the authoritative sounding conclusion "Status: False".   R %http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork  text  header body spam    zzzz@localhost.netnoteinc.com from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by phobos.labs.netnoteinc.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FC0647C6E for ; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 06:06:55 -0400 (EDT) from phobos [127.0.0.1] by localhost with IMAP (fetchmail-5.9.0) for zzzz@localhost (single-drop); Fri, 23 Aug 2002 11:06:55 +0100 (IST) from xent.com ([64.161.22.236]) by dogma.slashnull.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g7N1LTZ03723 for ; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 02:21:29 +0100 from lair.xent.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by xent.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6D262940E7; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 18:19:08 -0700 (PDT)  fork@spamassassin.taint.org from hotmail.com (f160.law15.hotmail.com [64.4.23.160]) by xent.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95D1D294099 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 18:18:38 -0700 (PDT) d from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 18:20:23 -0700 ^ from 216.30.74.2 by lw15fd.law15.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 01:20:23 GMT  [216.30.74.2] ' "Russell Turpin"   fork@spamassassin.taint.org  Re: The case for spam  1.0  text/plain; format=flowed *  = 23 Aug 2002 01:20:23.0609 (UTC) FILETIME=[41265290:01C24A43]  fork-admin@xent.com  fork-admin@xent.com  fork@spamassassin.taint.org  2.0.11  bulk ,  %  Z ,  ' Friends of Rohit Khare  ` ,  "  Fri, 23 Aug 2002 01:20:23 +0000 2From fork-admin@xent.com Fri Aug 23 11:08:50 2002 Return-Path Delivered-To Received Received Received Received Delivered-To Received Received Received X-Originating-Ip From To Subject MIME-Version Content-Type Message-Id X-Originalarrivaltime Sender Errors-To X-Beenthere X-Mailman-Version Precedence List-Help List-Post List-Subscribe List-Id List-Unsubscribe List-Archive Date From-init Lucas Gonze: M>Spam is *the* tool for dissident news, since the fact that it's unsolicited  C>means that recipients can't be blamed for being on a mailing list.  -That depends on how the list is collected, or /even on what the senders say about how the list 1is collected. Better to just put it on a website, .and that way it can be surfed anonymously. AND it doesn't clutter my inbox.   A_________________________________________________________________ EChat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com  %http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork  text  header body spam#    zzzz@localhost.netnoteinc.com from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by phobos.labs.netnoteinc.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D741B47C6F for ; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 06:06:55 -0400 (EDT) from phobos [127.0.0.1] by localhost with IMAP (fetchmail-5.9.0) for zzzz@localhost (single-drop); Fri, 23 Aug 2002 11:06:55 +0100 (IST) from xent.com ([64.161.22.236]) by dogma.slashnull.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g7N1jTZ04367 for ; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 02:45:29 +0100 from lair.xent.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by xent.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A11E2940F5; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 18:43:08 -0700 (PDT)  fork@spamassassin.taint.org from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by xent.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D0CE294099 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 18:42:41 -0700 (PDT) j This message was accepted for relay by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net as the sender used SMTP authentication M UmFuZG9tSVZFFzJmsb6CFx8j2lnFk529F6pHVq8zxRebZ/rkY9nOITB+/+3fN03H5gv+GHxViF4= from eb-174121.od.nih.gov ([156.40.174.121] helo=TOSHIBA-L8QYR7M) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with asmtp (Exim 3.35 #6) id 17i3Uv-0007Lj-00 for fork@xent.com; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 21:44:25 -0400 " "John Evdemon"   fork@spamassassin.taint.org  1.0  Re: Entrepreneurs ! <3D655B37.2901.1DB12A@localhost>  normal % <20020823005705.D63AEC44E@argote.ch> ! Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.01)  text/plain; charset=US-ASCII  7BIT  Mail message body  fork-admin@xent.com  fork-admin@xent.com  fork@spamassassin.taint.org  2.0.11  bulk ,  %  Z ,  ' Friends of Rohit Khare  ` ,  "  Thu, 22 Aug 2002 21:44:23 -0400 2From fork-admin@xent.com Fri Aug 23 11:08:55 2002# Return-Path Delivered-To Received Received Received Received Delivered-To Received X-Info X-Trace Received From To MIME-Version Subject Message-Id Priority In-Reply-To X-Mailer Content-Type Content-Transfer-Encoding Content-Description Sender Errors-To X-Beenthere X-Mailman-Version Precedence List-Help List-Post List-Subscribe List-Id List-Unsubscribe List-Archive Date From-init  ,On 23 Aug 2002 at 2:57, Robert Harley wrote:  => It's an amusing anecdote, I don't know if it's true or not, 7> but certainly nothing here supports the authoritative &> sounding conclusion "Status: False".  iI actually thought it was pretty funny and quite accurate. Who cares if the spinmeisters are denying it? %http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork  text  header body spam    zzzz@localhost.netnoteinc.com from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by phobos.labs.netnoteinc.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C8BB44161 for ; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 06:06:57 -0400 (EDT) from phobos [127.0.0.1] by localhost with IMAP (fetchmail-5.9.0) for zzzz@localhost (single-drop); Fri, 23 Aug 2002 11:06:57 +0100 (IST) from xent.com ([64.161.22.236]) by dogma.slashnull.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g7N8CWZ15864 for ; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 09:12:32 +0100 from lair.xent.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by xent.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DDA329418E; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 01:10:10 -0700 (PDT)  fork@spamassassin.taint.org from hughes-fe01.direcway.com (hughes-fe01.direcway.com [66.82.20.91]) by xent.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0EC36294099 for ; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 01:09:30 -0700 (PDT)  from spinnaker ([64.157.38.84]) by hughes-fe01.direcway.com (InterMail vK.4.04.00.00 201-232-137 license dcc4e84cb8fc01ca8f8654c982ec8526) with ESMTP id <20020823081149.JPJZ17240.hughes-fe01@spinnaker> for ; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 04:11:49 -0400  Re: Entrepreneurs , text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed # 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) ! Chuck Murcko   fork@spamassassin.taint.org  7bit % <20020822205834.D7039C44E@argote.ch> 3   Apple Mail (2.482)  fork-admin@xent.com  fork-admin@xent.com  fork@spamassassin.taint.org  2.0.11  bulk ,  %  Z ,  ' Friends of Rohit Khare  ` ,  "  Fri, 23 Aug 2002 01:11:02 -0700 2From fork-admin@xent.com Fri Aug 23 11:09:00 2002 Return-Path Delivered-To Received Received Received Received Delivered-To Received Received Subject Content-Type MIME-Version From To Content-Transfer-Encoding In-Reply-To Message-Id X-Mailer Sender Errors-To X-Beenthere X-Mailman-Version Precedence List-Help List-Post List-Subscribe List-Id List-Unsubscribe List-Archive Date From-init DAccording to my son, it was actually Homer Simpson, who claimed the  French had no word for victory.  Chuck  ?On Thursday, August 22, 2002, at 01:58 PM, Robert Harley wrote:  F> An apparent quote from Dubya, from the Times (sent to me by my Dad): > C> http://www.timesonline.co.uk/printFriendly/0,,1-43-351083,00.html > P> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ @> TONY BLAIR's special relationship with George W. Bush is under F> considerable strain. Not only do the two disagree on Yassir Arafat's F> tenure as leader of the Palestinian Authority, but Blair has started 4> telling disparaging anecdotes about the President. > F> Baroness Williams of Crosby recalled a story told to her by 'my good B> friend Tony Blair' recently in Brighton. Blair, Bush and Jacques E> Chirac were discussing economics and, in particular, the decline of E> the French economy. 'The problem with the French,' Bush confided in ;> Blair, 'is that they don't have a word for entrepreneur.' P> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > R '> http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork >  %http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork  text  header body spam    zzzz@localhost.netnoteinc.com from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by phobos.labs.netnoteinc.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CB6743F99 for ; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 06:06:58 -0400 (EDT) from phobos [127.0.0.1] by localhost with IMAP (fetchmail-5.9.0) for zzzz@localhost (single-drop); Fri, 23 Aug 2002 11:06:58 +0100 (IST) from xent.com ([64.161.22.236]) by dogma.slashnull.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g7N8rUZ17136 for ; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 09:53:30 +0100 from lair.xent.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by xent.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7345F294192; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 01:51:08 -0700 (PDT)  fork@spamassassin.taint.org from argote.ch (argote.ch [80.65.224.17]) by xent.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 308B6294099 for ; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 01:50:40 -0700 (PDT) a by argote.ch (Postfix, from userid 500) id D5070C44E; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 10:44:35 +0200 (CEST)  fork@spamassassin.taint.org  Re: Entrepreneurs % <20020823084435.D5070C44E@argote.ch> ! harley@argote.ch (Robert Harley)  fork-admin@xent.com  fork-admin@xent.com  fork@spamassassin.taint.org  2.0.11  bulk ,  %  Z ,  ' Friends of Rohit Khare  ` ,  "  ' Fri, 23 Aug 2002 10:44:35 +0200 (CEST) 2From fork-admin@xent.com Fri Aug 23 11:09:00 2002 Return-Path Delivered-To Received Received Received Received Delivered-To Received Received To Subject Message-Id From Sender Errors-To X-Beenthere X-Mailman-Version Precedence List-Help List-Post List-Subscribe List-Id List-Unsubscribe List-Archive Date From-init Whore eructed: C>--]It's an amusing anecdote, I don't know if it's true or not, but I>--]certainly nothing here supports the authoritative sounding conclusion >--]"Status: False". > I>So thats the trick, just let any anecdotal utterances you LIKE be deemed >true [...]  AExsqueeze me, but what part of "I don't know if it's true or not" Cdid you fail to grok? I personally doubt it simply because I never +heard of Bush and Chirac going to Brighton.  DNext time I hear a joke, I promise not to laugh until I have checked Cout primary sources for confirmation in triplicate, OK? Good thing Gwe have you around to keep us on the straight and narrow, all the while Hinundating us with such erudite profundities as "Kill your idols folks", J"fight the powers that be, from with out and from with in" and innumerable other dippy bromides.   R %http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork  text  header body spam     zzzz@localhost.netnoteinc.com from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by phobos.labs.netnoteinc.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1C5643F99 for ; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 06:33:56 -0400 (EDT) from phobos [127.0.0.1] by localhost with IMAP (fetchmail-5.9.0) for zzzz@localhost (single-drop); Fri, 23 Aug 2002 11:33:56 +0100 (IST) from proton.pathname.com (adsl-216-103-211-240.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [216.103.211.240]) by dogma.slashnull.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g7NAVFZ20272 for ; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 11:31:15 +0100 from quinlan by proton.pathname.com with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 17iBiq-0005K9-00; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 03:31:20 -0700 0 zzzz@spamassassin.taint.org, craig@deersoft.com  FYI - gone this weekend  quinlan@pathname.com (  & Daniel Quinlan  Fri, 23 Aug 2002 03:31:20 -0700 3From quinlan@pathname.com Fri Aug 23 11:33:57 2002  Return-Path Delivered-To Received Received Received Received To Subject Cc Message-Id From Date From-init BI won't be reading email until Sunday night or so. Good luck with .2.40 and don't do anything I wouldn't do. ;-)  - Dan  text  header body spam    zzzz@localhost.netnoteinc.com from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by phobos.labs.netnoteinc.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9AD0D43F99 for ; Thu, 29 Aug 2002 11:42:34 -0400 (EDT) from phobos [127.0.0.1] by localhost with IMAP (fetchmail-5.9.0) for zzzz@localhost (single-drop); Thu, 29 Aug 2002 16:42:34 +0100 (IST) from lugh.tuatha.org (root@lugh.tuatha.org [194.125.145.45]) by dogma.slashnull.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g7TFYfZ18351 for ; Thu, 29 Aug 2002 16:34:42 +0100 from lugh (root@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by lugh.tuatha.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA30663; Thu, 29 Aug 2002 16:32:44 +0100 H lugh.tuatha.org: Host root@localhost [127.0.0.1] claimed to be lugh from mail02.svc.cra.dublin.eircom.net (mail02.svc.cra.dublin.eircom.net [159.134.118.18]) by lugh.tuatha.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA30628 for ; Thu, 29 Aug 2002 16:32:37 +0100 j (qmail 48111 messnum 226577 invoked from network[213.190.156.48/unknown]); 29 Aug 2002 15:15:37 -0000 from unknown (HELO XENON16) (213.190.156.48) by mail02.svc.cra.dublin.eircom.net (qp 48111) with SMTP; 29 Aug 2002 15:15:37 -0000 ) <005401c24f6f$2f797b90$e600000a@XENON16>  "wintermute"     <3D6E355E.9060008@diva.ie>  Re: [ILUG] eircoms adsl modems Thu, 29 Aug 2002 16:17:26 +0100  1.0 ! text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"  7bit  3  Normal ) Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 . Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4910.0300  ilug-admin@linux.ie  ilug-admin@linux.ie  1.1  bulk ) Irish Linux Users' Group   ilug@linux.ie 2From ilug-admin@linux.ie Thu Aug 29 16:42:34 2002 Return-Path Delivered-To Received Received Received Received X-Authentication-Warning Received Received Received Message-Id From To References Subject Date MIME-Version Content-Type Content-Transfer-Encoding X-Priority X-Msmail-Priority X-Mailer X-Mimeole Sender Errors-To X-Mailman-Version Precedence List-Id X-Beenthere From-init% 6It will function as a router if that is what you wish.  LIt even looks like the modem's embedded OS is some kind of linux, being that (it has interesting interfaces like eth0.  LI don't use it as a router though.... I just have it do the absolute minimum LDSL stuff and do all the really fun stuff like pppoe on my linux box........  7Also the manual tells you what the default password is.  LDon't forget to run pppoe over the alcatel speedtouch 350i as in my case you I'HAVE TO' have a bridge configured in the router/modem's software........ This lists your VCI values etc.   9> Also, does anyone know if the high-end SpeedTouch, with :> 4 ethernet ports, can act as a full router or do I still -> need to run a pppoe stack on the linux box? > > Regards, > > Vin > > > -- )> Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie @> http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. &> List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie >   --  'Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie Khttp://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. $List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie  text  header body spam#    zzzz@localhost.netnoteinc.com from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by phobos.labs.netnoteinc.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7996B44155 for ; Thu, 29 Aug 2002 11:52:54 -0400 (EDT) from phobos [127.0.0.1] by localhost with IMAP (fetchmail-5.9.0) for zzzz@localhost (single-drop); Thu, 29 Aug 2002 16:52:54 +0100 (IST) from xent.com ([64.161.22.236]) by dogma.slashnull.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g7TFklZ18708 for ; Thu, 29 Aug 2002 16:46:47 +0100 from lair.xent.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by xent.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA6122940DA; Thu, 29 Aug 2002 08:44:09 -0700 (PDT)  fork@spamassassin.taint.org from smtp1.auracom.net (smtp1.auracom.net [165.154.140.23]) by xent.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D5E12940DA for ; Thu, 29 Aug 2002 08:43:15 -0700 (PDT) from maya.dyndns.org (ts5-038.ptrb.interhop.net [165.154.190.102]) by smtp1.auracom.net (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g7TFIpD06133; Thu, 29 Aug 2002 11:18:51 -0400 (EDT) g by maya.dyndns.org (Postfix, from userid 501) id 72BCA1C38A; Thu, 29 Aug 2002 11:19:27 -0400 (EDT) , Eirikur Hallgrimsson   FoRK  - Re: Internet saturation (but not in Iceland) * <200208290358.03815.eh@mad.scientist.com> ( Gary Lawrence Murphy   http://www.teledyn.com 6 TCI Business Innovation through Open Source Computing !  ( Gary Lawrence Murphy   http://www.teledyn.com/  1.0  text/plain; charset=us-ascii  fork-admin@xent.com  fork-admin@xent.com  fork@spamassassin.taint.org  2.0.11  bulk ,  %  Z ,  ' Friends of Rohit Khare  ` ,  "   29 Aug 2002 11:19:27 -0400 2From fork-admin@xent.com Thu Aug 29 16:52:57 2002# Return-Path Delivered-To Received Received Received Received Delivered-To Received Received Received To Cc Subject References From X-Home-Page Organization Message-Id Reply-To X-Url MIME-Version Content-Type Sender Errors-To X-Beenthere X-Mailman-Version Precedence List-Help List-Post List-Subscribe List-Id List-Unsubscribe List-Archive Date From-init @>>>>> "E" == Eirikur Hallgrimsson writes:  D E> Gary's news service at teledyn.com has an article on Internet B E> Saturation. Let me ask you....If you were on a rock in the D E> middle of the Atlantic, mostly in the dark for half the year, B E> wouldn't *you* like a bit of internet distraction? They've < E> already done the obvious and fiber-ringed the island.  @There's lots of similar places. Saskatchewan, for example, once Eshared with Iceland the distinction of most telephone connections per Ecapita, and for a long time shared the internet penetration lead with FIceland (Sask is a land-locked massive expanse of ultra-flat dust with .only two rivers and farm sizes measured in the hundred-thousand-hectares).  EIt's still curious Iceland leads. Maybe there's just a deep cultural Ecuriousity and fascination with watching advertising from the rest of 2the world. Maybe they're downloading Bjork videos.  --  HGary Lawrence Murphy TeleDynamics Communications Inc G Business Advantage through Community Software : http://www.teledyn.com H"Computers are useless. 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Monty Solomon   text/plain; charset="us-ascii" & [IRR] Klez: The Virus That Won't Die  irregulars-admin@tb.tf  irregulars-admin@tb.tf  irregulars@tb.tf  2.0.6  bulk /    d ,  @ New home of the TBTF Irregulars mailing list  f ,  +  Thu, 22 Aug 2002 09:15:25 -0400 5From irregulars-admin@tb.tf Thu Aug 22 14:23:39 2002 Return-Path Delivered-To Received Received Received Received Received Received Received MIME-Version X-Sender Message-Id To From Content-Type Subject Sender Errors-To X-Beenthere X-Mailman-Version Precedence List-Help List-Post List-Subscribe List-Id List-Unsubscribe List-Archive Date From-init  Klez: The Virus That Won't Die   DAlready the most prolific virus ever, Klez continues to wreak havoc.  Andrew Brandt 4>>From the September 2002 issue of PC World magazine Posted Thursday, August 01, 2002   CThe Klez worm is approaching its seventh month of wriggling across  @the Web, making it one of the most persistent viruses ever. And  Bexperts warn that it may be a harbinger of new viruses that use a  9combination of pernicious approaches to go from PC to PC.  DAntivirus software makers Symantec and McAfee both report more than  D2000 new infections daily, with no sign of letup at press time. The  @British security firm MessageLabs estimates that 1 in every 300  Ce-mail messages holds a variation of the Klez virus, and says that  EKlez has already surpassed last summer's SirCam as the most prolific  virus ever.  EAnd some newer Klez variants aren't merely nuisances--they can carry  -other viruses in them that corrupt your data.  ...  7http://www.pcworld.com/news/article/0,aid,103259,00.asp /_______________________________________________ Irregulars mailing list Irregulars@tb.tf (http://tb.tf/mailman/listinfo/irregulars  text  header body spam 2   zzzz@localhost.netnoteinc.com from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by phobos.labs.netnoteinc.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EDB0C43F9B for ; Thu, 29 Aug 2002 11:42:43 -0400 (EDT) from phobos [127.0.0.1] by localhost with IMAP (fetchmail-5.9.0) for zzzz@localhost (single-drop); Thu, 29 Aug 2002 16:42:44 +0100 (IST) from usw-sf-list2.sourceforge.net (usw-sf-fw2.sourceforge.net [216.136.171.252]) by dogma.slashnull.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g7TFYvZ18369 for ; Thu, 29 Aug 2002 16:34:58 +0100 from usw-sf-list1-b.sourceforge.net ([10.3.1.13] helo=usw-sf-list1.sourceforge.net) by usw-sf-list2.sourceforge.net with esmtp (Exim 3.31-VA-mm2 #1 (Debian)) id 17kRI7-0008KP-00; Thu, 29 Aug 2002 08:33:03 -0700  from moonbase.zanshin.com ([167.160.213.139]) by usw-sf-list1.sourceforge.net with esmtp (Cipher TLSv1:DES-CBC3-SHA:168) (Exim 3.31-VA-mm2 #1 (Debian)) id 17kRHG-000488-00 for ; Thu, 29 Aug 2002 08:32:10 -0700 from aztec.zanshin.com (IDENT:schaefer@aztec.zanshin.com [167.160.213.132]) by moonbase.zanshin.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id g7TFW8J23933 for ; Thu, 29 Aug 2002 08:32:08 -0700 % Bart Schaefer  > Spamassassin-Talk  ! Re: [SAtalk] O.T. Habeus -- Why? $ <3D6E255A.CB569D9B@hallikainen.com> =   1.0  TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII 0 spamassassin-talk-admin@example.sourceforge.net 0 spamassassin-talk-admin@example.sourceforge.net * spamassassin-talk@example.sourceforge.net 2.0.9-sf.net  bulk H  3  ,  D Talk about SpamAssassin  ,  A  & Thu, 29 Aug 2002 08:32:08 -0700 (PDT) & Thu, 29 Aug 2002 08:32:08 -0700 (PDT) LFrom spamassassin-talk-admin@lists.sourceforge.net Thu Aug 29 16:42:46 2002 Return-Path Delivered-To Received Received Received Received Received Received From To Subject In-Reply-To Message-Id MIME-Version Content-Type Sender Errors-To X-Beenthere X-Mailman-Version Precedence List-Help List-Post List-Subscribe List-Id List-Unsubscribe List-Archive X-Original-Date Date From-initc %On 28 Aug 2002, Daniel Quinlan wrote:  $> Dan Kohn writes: >  I> > Daniel, it's easy enough for you to change the Habeas scores yourself G> > on your installation. If Habeas fails to live up to its promise to B> > only license the warrant mark to non-spammers and to place all I> > violators on the HIL, then I have no doubt that Justin and Craig will H> > quickly remove us from the next release. But, you're trying to kill 6> > Habeas before it has a chance to show any promise. >  F> I think I've worked on SA enough to understand that I can localize a G> score. I'm just not comfortable with using SpamAssassin as a vehicle @> for drumming up your business at the expense of our user base.  II have to agree here. If Habeas is going to die just because SA does not Isupport it, that's a serious problem with the business model; but that is nobody's problem but Habeas's.  JA possible solution is for Habeas's business model to include some kind of Jincentive for users of SA to give it the benefit of the doubt. I have yet /to think of an incentive that fits the bill ...  (On Thu, 29 Aug 2002, Justin Mason wrote:  H> I don't see a problem supporting it in SpamAssassin -- but I see Dan's > points. >  E> - high score: as far as I can see, that's because SpamAssassin is I> assigning such high scores to legit newsletters these days, and the J> Habeas mark has to bring it down below that. :( IMO we have to fix L> the high-scorers anyway -- no spam ever *needs* to score over 5 in our )> scoring system, 5 == tagged anyway.  IThis is off the topic of the rest of this discussion, but amavisd (in all Iits incarnations) and MIMEDefang and several other MTA plugins all reject Jat SMTP time messages that scores higher than some threshold (often 10).  FIf some new release were to start scoring all spam no higher than 5.1, Hthere'd better be _zero_ FPs, because all those filters would drop their thresholds to 5.  *On Thu, 29 Aug 2002, Michael Moncur wrote:  I> But I agree that there needs to be more focus on eliminating rules that K> frequently hit on newsletters. If any newsletters actually use the Habeas %> mark, that will be one way to help.  JNewsletters won't use the mark. Habeas is priced way too high -- a factor Fof at least 20 over what the market will bear, IMO -- on a per-message Ebasis for most typical mailing lists (Lockergnome, say) to afford it.  .On Thu, 29 Aug 2002, Harold Hallikainen wrote:  I> Habeus has come up with a very clever way to use existing law to battle H> spam. It seems that at some point they could drop the licensing fee to A> $1 or less and make all their income off suing the spammers for > copyright infringement.  Sorry, that just can't work.  GIf the Habeas mark actually becomes both widespread enough in non-spam, Hand effectively-enforced enough to be absent from spam, such that, e.g., FSA could assign a positive score to messages that do NOT have it, then Jspammers are out of business and Habeas has no one to sue. There's nobody Fleft to charge except the people who want (or are forced against their Ewill because their mail won't get through otherwise) to use the mark.  GConversely, if there are enough spammers forging the mark for Habeas to Hmake all its income suing them, then the mark is useless for the purpose for which it was designed.  HEither way it seems to me that, after maybe a couple of lawsuits against Ireal spammers and a lot of cease-and-desist letters to clueless Mom&Pops, Ithen either (a) they're out of business, (b) they have to sell the rights Ito use the mark to increasingly questionable senders, or (c) they've both Ccreated and monopolized a market for "internet postage stamps" that everybody has to pay them for.  IThe latter would be quite a coup if they [*] could pull it off -- they do Fabsolutely nothing useful, unless you consider threatening people with Flawsuits useful, yet still collect a fee either directly or indirectly Ifrom everyone on the internet -- effectively we'll be paying them for the Hprivilege of policing their trademark for them. I don't believe they'll Fever get that far, but I don't particularly want to help them make it.  G[*] And I use the term "they" loosely, because the whole company could  5consist of one lawyer if it really got to that point.    7------------------------------------------------------- +This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf /_______________________________________________ Spamassassin-talk mailing list 'Spamassassin-talk@lists.sourceforge.net >https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-talk  text  header body spam    zzzz@localhost.netnoteinc.com from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by phobos.labs.netnoteinc.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97DCD43F9B for ; Thu, 29 Aug 2002 11:52:52 -0400 (EDT) from phobos [127.0.0.1] by localhost with IMAP (fetchmail-5.9.0) for zzzz@localhost (single-drop); Thu, 29 Aug 2002 16:52:52 +0100 (IST) from lugh.tuatha.org (root@lugh.tuatha.org [194.125.145.45]) by dogma.slashnull.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g7TFr2Z18960 for ; Thu, 29 Aug 2002 16:53:02 +0100 from lugh (root@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by lugh.tuatha.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA31908; Thu, 29 Aug 2002 16:51:27 +0100 from hawk.dcu.ie (mail.dcu.ie [136.206.1.5]) by lugh.tuatha.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA31829 for ; Thu, 29 Aug 2002 16:51:17 +0100 N lugh.tuatha.org: Host mail.dcu.ie [136.206.1.5] claimed to be hawk.dcu.ie from prodigy.redbrick.dcu.ie (136.206.15.10) by hawk.dcu.ie (6.0.040) id 3D6203D30003D917 for ilug@linux.ie; Thu, 29 Aug 2002 16:51:17 +0100 o by prodigy.redbrick.dcu.ie (Postfix, from userid 2027) id 32184DA4A; Thu, 29 Aug 2002 16:51:17 +0100 (IST) Thu, 29 Aug 2002 16:51:17 +0100 * Colin Whittaker   Irish LUG list  0 <20020829165117.A16258@prodigy.Redbrick.DCU.IE> ! <20020829143111.GN1757@jinny.ie>  1.0  text/plain; charset=us-ascii  inline Mutt/1.2.5i e <20020829143111.GN1757@jinny.ie>; from valen@tuatha.org on Thu, Aug 29, 2002 at 03:31:11PM +0100  North East Technologies Ltd.  Give Colin all your money. . [ILUG] Re: serial console...not quite working  ilug-admin@linux.ie  ilug-admin@linux.ie  1.1  bulk ) Irish Linux Users' Group   ilug@linux.ie 2From ilug-admin@linux.ie Thu Aug 29 16:52:52 2002 Return-Path Delivered-To Received Received Received Received Received X-Authentication-Warning Received Received Date From To Message-Id References MIME-Version Content-Type Content-Disposition User-Agent In-Reply-To Organization X-Subliminal-Message Subject Sender Errors-To X-Mailman-Version Precedence List-Id X-Beenthere From-init NJohn P. Looney stated the following on Thu, Aug 29, 2002 at 03:31:11PM +0100 : I> I'm not sure what exactly is wrong with this, but I can't get a redhat $> 7.1 box to use ttyS0 as a console. >  1> The relevant bits of /boot/grub/grub.conf are: >  > serial --unit=0 --speed=115200 %> terminal --timeout=2 console serial > title=linux > root (hd0,4) B> kernel /boot/bzImage ro root=/dev/md0 console=ttyS0,115200n81  ^ >That 1 is unneeded and is probably whats upsetting your kernel  Gwe use "console=ttyS0,9600n8" but the 9600 is mainly cos we are a cisco *shop and its to keepo everyhting the same.  Colin --  P"Design" is like a religion - too much of it makes you inflexibly and unpopular.  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Product: gaim	Keywords: gaim hyperlink manual	References: 	  CAN-2002-0989 	?    http://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvename.cgi?name=CAN-2002-0989	  Gaim Changelog	)    http://gaim.sourceforge.net/ChangeLog		>Gaim is an instant messaging client based on the published TOC	Fprotocol from AOL. The developers of Gaim, an instant messenger client	Fthat combines several different networks, found a vulnerability in the	?hyperlink handling code. The 'Manual' browser command passes an	Cuntrusted string to the shell without escaping or reliable quoting,	Apermitting an attacker to execute arbitrary commands on the users	Emachine. Unfortunately, Gaim doesn't display the hyperlink before the	Fuser clicks on it. Users who use other inbuilt browser commands aren't	vulnerable.		DThe fixed version of Gaim no longer passes the user's manual browser	Bcommand to the shell. Commands which contain the %s in quotes will	Bneed to be amended, so they don't contain any quotes. The 'Manual'	:browser command can be edited in the 'General' pane of the	F'Preferences' dialog, which can be accessed by clicking 'Options' from	Ethe login window, or 'Tools' and then 'Preferences' from the menu bar	in the buddy list window.		CPlease download Gaim 0.59.1 or later using Red Carpet. You may also	,obtain this update from the Ximian FTP site.		
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Redhat 6.2	Tftp://ftp.ximian.com/pub/ximian-gnome/redhat-62-i386/gaim-0.59.1-1.ximian.2.i386.rpm	[ftp://ftp.ximian.com/pub/ximian-gnome/redhat-62-i386/gaim-applet-0.59.1-1.ximian.2.i386.rpm		
Redhat 7.0	Tftp://ftp.ximian.com/pub/ximian-gnome/redhat-70-i386/gaim-0.59.1-1.ximian.2.i386.rpm	[ftp://ftp.ximian.com/pub/ximian-gnome/redhat-70-i386/gaim-applet-0.59.1-1.ximian.2.i386.rpm		
Redhat 7.1	Tftp://ftp.ximian.com/pub/ximian-gnome/redhat-71-i386/gaim-0.59.1-1.ximian.2.i386.rpm	[ftp://ftp.ximian.com/pub/ximian-gnome/redhat-71-i386/gaim-applet-0.59.1-1.ximian.2.i386.rpm		
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Precedence		List-Help		List-Post	List-Subscribe	List-Id	List-Unsubscribe	List-Archive	Date		From-init			%http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork		+text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed	7bit	plain	Content-Type	Content-Transfer-Encoding	TypeI	Bill Stoddard wrote:		 >>No one likes commercial spam. 	>>    	>>	:>And no one like unsolicited political spam. End of story.	>	>Bill 	&>http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork	>  	>	(Except perhaps for the people in charge.	Owen		*http://zdnet.com.com/2100-1105-954903.html			$*Political spam on your cell phone?*	/By Lisa M. Bowman 	Special to ZDNet News	August 22, 2002, 12:05 PM PT	0URL: http://zdnet.com.com/2100-1105-954909.html 	<%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20http://zdnet.com.com/2100-1105-954909.html%0A%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20> 			G*In a decision that treats text messaging on mobile phones essentially 	Athe same as bumper stickers, the Federal Election Commission has 	Ideclared that senders of text-based political ads don't have to disclose 	who funded them.*		DIn an advisory opinion issued Thursday, the FEC also suggested such 	Imessages include either a phone number or Web site link, so people could 	?easily learn who paid for the message. However, the additional 	information won't be required.		IThe opinion could encourage the adoption of text-based political ads, as 	Hcampaign experts look for new technological ways to sway voters. At the 	Asame time, opponents of the plan fear it could lead to anonymous 	political spam.		FTarget Wireless, a small New Jersey-based wireless media company, had 	Basked the FEC for an opinion on the matter, saying that requiring 	Ffinancial disclosures on short messaging service (SMS) mailings would 	-use up too much of the 160 character-maximum.		GPolitical messages on bumper stickers and buttons are also exempt from 	Dthe financial disclosure requirement. Target Wireless' petition was 	Hsupported by the National Republican Senatorial Committee, the Cellular 	HTelecommunications and Internet Association, and some advertising trade 	groups.		DFEC spokesman Bob Biersack said the opinion was in keeping with the 	Ccommission's policy not to meddle with new technology that has the 	potential to reach more voters.		D"We have tried very hard not to get in the way--particularly before 	Ceveryone understands how the technology is going to work," he said.		IOpponents of the plan have worried the exemption might encourage spam or 	Fallow senders to blast people with mass amounts of negative political 	#messages while remaining anonymous.		FBiersack said the FEC can revisit the issue if those problems surface.		ETarget Wireless President Craig Krueger characterized the opinion as 	"good for America."		G"It will allow people to receive more communication from those running 	8for office," he said. "We have free speech on our side."					header	text	text	attachments
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Precedence		List-Help		List-Post	List-Subscribe	List-Id	List-Unsubscribe	List-Archive	Date		From-initE		EXviD [1] is a project to make GPL divx codecs. Sigma Designs [1] is a	Gcompany  looking to put out hardware to playback, amongst other things,	Gdivx files. Problem is Sigma is using XviDs gpled code in ways not very	Ggpl. The  results....XviD stops work on thier code and ask the users to	(put preasure  on Sigma to honor the GPL.		 Some notes from other places....		>>From Doom9 [3]	F"XviD development has been stopped! The Sigma Designs REALMagic MPEG-4	GVideo Codec contains wide portions of code taken from the XviD project.	ISoon after the initial release of the REALMagic codec the XviD developers	Ihave contacted Sigma and informed them about the GPL violation (for those	Hwho don't know, XviD is distributed under the GNU Public License - GPL -	Ewhich demands that if you modify a GPL program you have to release it	Iunder the GPL, which in this case means that the source code of the Sigma	Ecodec must be freely available). Sigma promised to replace the stolen	Icode, but the new version of the codec which was released this month only	Fdisguises the stolen code, it was not actually removed. Sigma was once	Fagain contacted and asked to remove the offending code but until today	Jnothing has happened. Therefore the XviD team is now turning to the public	Gin the hope to receive wide public support in their efforts to convince	GSigma Designs to respect the terms of the GPL. And until the matter has	1been resolved XviD development will not continue.		HThat being said I hope all the forum members who saw their threads about	Athe Sigma Codecs being closed will understand our motivation now.	GInternally we already knew what was going on but since the XviD authors	Ifirst wanted to try and resolve this internally we respected their wishes	(and kept quiet about the matter at hand.		H[Update] Sigma has issued a press release announcing the availability of	Gthe source code of their MPEG-4 codec and it's already up for download.	GHowever, not a word was lost about the XviD issue and the press release	Jmakes one think that the Sigma codec was entirely developed by Sigma so we	!might be hearing more about this.		F[Update] I found a GPL notice in some of the source code files, but it	Ealso looks like Sigma placed their own copyright lines there and XviD	Idoesn't get any credit in the source either. The GPL notice also collides	Fwith Sigma's Software Licensing Agreement that you have to sign before	Jdownloading codec or source. On on the same issue DivXNetworks said they'd	Gfully support XviD in this issue and apparently DXn's relationship with	DSigma didn't really work out either, as Sigma's Xcard is not as DivX	 compatible as it was advertised.		G[Update]First an update on the XviD situation. The release of the Sigma	Fsource code does not mean it's all over, it's far from being over. The	Ilicense agreement which you have to agree to before you can download, and	Iinstall the codec is not compatible with the GPL. Furthermore, it can now	Gclearly be seen (download the source code and have a look for yourself)	Ithat the Sigma codec is pretty much a copy of the XviD codec, but all the	Bcopyright notices of the original developers have been removed and	Ereplaced. This does not only violate the GPL but copyright laws - you	Fcan't just take a program, change a few lines and change the copyright	Istatements, you only have copyright protection for the parts you wrote on	Fyour own. And related to this the Sigma codec also contains code taken	Dfrom the OpenDivX project, the files were outfitted with 2 different	(copyright notices which is quite funny."				[1] http://www.xvid.org/	[2] http://www.sigmadesigns.com	[3] http://www.doom9.org/		%http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork		text
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the crowd.		FThe article cites the No Electronic Theft (NET) Act [2], which defines	Cillegal  activity and maximum penalties for copyright infringement:			ICriminal infringement: Any person who infringes a copyright willfully for	Epurposes of commercial advantage or private financial gain, or by the	Greproduction or distribution, including by electronic means, during any	@180-day period, of 1 or more copies or phonorecords of 1 or more	Jcopyrighted works, which have a total retail value of more than $1,000....	IFor purposes of this subsection, evidence of reproduction or distribution	Fof a copyrighted work, by itself, shall not be sufficient to establish	willful infringement.	...	IThe term "financial gain" includes receipt, or expectation of receipt, of	Danything of value, including the receipt of other copyrighted works.			JTherefore, receipt of a work of value would be defined as "financial gain"	Jeven if no money is involved. The NET Act excerpt does not clarify how the	Hvalue of a work is determined; an album or movie could be worth only $15	Jto millions of dollars depending on whether the value is assessed from the	0perspective of the consumer or copyright holder.		The statute of limitations:			507. Limitations on actions		E(a) Criminal Proceedings.--No criminal proceeding shall be maintained	Eunder the provisions of this title unless it is commenced within five	&years after the cause of action arose.		A(b) Civil Actions.--No civil action shall be maintained under the	Hprovisions of this title unless it is commenced within three years after	the claim accrued.		FThe penalties are too extensive to list here, but they can be found in	JSection 2319: Criminal infringement of a copyright. In general, first-time	Acriminal offenses will carry a maximum prison sentence of 1 year.		BI'm still not sure where the DOJ would start in choosing people to	Hprosecute because of the aforementioned "schooling" effect, but my guess	?would be that, just like speeding, primarily the most prominent	Gindividuals who operate large servers or transfer the most data will be	Itargeted in order to discourage more recreational file sharers. Thanks to	.MonaLisaOverdrive for pointing out this story.	"		8[1] http://news.com.com/2100-1023-954591.html?tag=fd_top	9[2] http://www.usdoj.gov/criminal/cybercrime/17-18red.htm		%http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork		text
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Precedence	List-Id	X-Beenthere		From-init%	EI am trying to manage the email for a domain which I have hosted with	Ghosting365, and am trying to get the whole email send and receive thing	working nice and easily.	DAt the moment I have configured Fetchmail to poll the different pop3	Kmailboxes and deliver the mail accordingly, although it appears that I have	Hto have only one unix user being able to receive from each pop3 mailbox.	LThis could be a limitation of the fetchmailconf programme, I'm not sure, but	KIt would be much handier if I could just tell it to collect all of the mail	Jfrom the different mailboxes, and then deliver it locally according to the	6"To:" header instead of the pop3 mailbox it came from.	LThe other issue I am having is sending outgoing mail.  I have been trying to	Luse sendmail, but am finding it to be an absolute pain in the posterior, and	Ewhen the relay server will only accept outgoing connections if I have	Jchecked for incoming mail in the last twenty minutes, and I don't know how	Ito set sendmail to run a command before it sends out the mail.  Do any of	Hthe outgoing mailer programs, exim or postfix or whatever, have a 'nice'	Hconfiguration interface, or do they all have nice friendly configuration	files like sendmail.		JAny suggestions of alternative solutions would be much appreciated.  There	Jare only three or four email addresses in my domain, and setting it up for	Kscheduled collection and either scheduled or immediate delivery would do me	fine.		Thanks,			David.		David Hamilton	Senior Technical Consultant	HP Ireland 		-- 	'Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie	Khttp://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information.	$List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie		text
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Precedence	List-Id	X-Beenthere		From-init5	JHi Dermot, if have a look at one of the dists. like www.smoothwall.org, it	Hwill save you lots of time and effort, and should do eveything you want.		Justin		> -----Original Message-----	D> From: ilug-admin@linux.ie [mailto:ilug-admin@linux.ie]On Behalf Of	
> Dermot Daly	+> Sent: Monday, September 02, 2002 11:46 AM	> To: ilug@linux.ie	-> Subject: [ILUG] What HOWTOs for SOHO system	>	>		> Hi All,	%> I'm trying to set up the following:	>	I> 1. A Linux server running with a modem for internet connectivity and an	$> ethernet card for LAN connectivity	B> 2. Other LAN pcs with ethernet cards, using the Linux server for	> DNS/DHCP etc.	>	B> Basically, I want to route any non LAN traffic through the ppp0.	>	G> I've got some of the way, but like a similar post earlier about modem	I> problems, when I am connected to the internet with eht0 up, the routing	D> is all incorrect and noting goes out through ppp0 (eh0 must be the	> default route or something).	>	D> Is there standard "out of the box" Linux tools that will carry out	G> portmapping on behalf of the LAN PCs ?  (I'm planning on non routable	A> addresses 192.168.x.x for the LAN, routed outwards via the ppp0	
> interface).	>	J> Can someone point me at the right HOWTOs or routing documentation I need	
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    relay05.indigo.ie (qp 99805) with SMTP; 2 Sep 2002 10:47:50 -0000	 	% "Justin MacCarthy" 	  "Ilug@Linux.Ie" 	 Mon, 2 Sep 2002 11:48:22 +0100	/ 	 1.0	! text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"	 7bit	 3 (Normal)	 Normal	3 Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0)	/ 	. Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4910.0300	 Normal	# [ILUG] Email list management howto	 ilug-admin@linux.ie	 ilug-admin@linux.ie	 1.1	 bulk	) Irish Linux Users' Group 	 ilug@linux.ie	2From ilug-admin@linux.ie  Mon Sep  2 13:13:28 2002 	Return-Path	Delivered-To	Received	Received	Received	Received	X-Authentication-Warning	Received	Received	Received	Reply-To	From	To	Date	
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Precedence	List-Id	X-Beenthere		From-init	JI think I'll ask this question again, as I sent on friday afternoon.  :-) 		Justin 		> Hi,	> 	J> Can anyone point me to a howto on running mailing lists. Not looking for	@> anything that is  package specific, but rather something that 	> gives general	>> info on the various Email headers and dealing with returned 	> mails, errors in	> transport etc..	> 	> Thanks	> 	> Justin			-- 	'Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie	Khttp://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information.	$List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie		text
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Precedence	List-Id	X-Beenthere		From-init,	"-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----		Vincent Cunniffe wrote:	| Justin MacCarthy wrote:	|	G|> I think I'll ask this question again, as I sent on friday afternoon.	  :-)	|	|	
| Mailman ;-)	|	?| Trust me, you do *not* want to running your own mailing lists	| on your own software.	|	<| You'll wind up crying in a dark room looking for something	*| high-voltage to stick your fingers into.		EAll things considered, I get that effect with Mailman, but the viable	Halternatives are ezmlm, which is loonware and I'm avoiding on principle,	Hand majordomo, which seems to have stagnated. Oh, and there's apparently	6something called SmartList which is a bitch to set up.		Waider.	- --	3waider@waider.ie / Yes, it /is/ very personal of me	-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----	!Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux)	>Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org		@iQEVAwUBPXNE16HbXyzZsAb3AQH2KQf/XqeOMaHNXAlzbmgd5iYd9VQaAgWAR2DQ	@kdpz0NbECR2OS7PJoLY9lsPKgNshpJcDZIRsxJvXmfp5YRNq0AyP0HGGwRvWgjgB	@0N9HG/Rgez7S5RhU79RAuhpFb9XO1XzMI0gSkDHSGefQsUOAZ69vZVLLsiRiyHFy	@4u+vrPVTP0rYR7haX41JXu42GVWfT2K2DDFftAimqGCsJnu2MXcMI/Ptq1rtxhXD	@WZhxCR+FAwirEk8Yz9Drl8+gJL0YJQFSoWumQzqLKKutx1lJvv7OS4yDjGRaQpxm	8Jmq8lifudZayccbixx7ZcXMSlpP4C45Wj5XJSYW8RCjU1bgxTqhMbQ==	=eG8X	-----END PGP SIGNATURE-----			-- 	'Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie	Khttp://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information.	$List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie		text
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Precedence	List-Id	X-Beenthere		From-init	Justin MacCarthy wrote:	L> I think I'll ask this question again, as I sent on friday afternoon.  :-) 		Mailman ;-)		=Trust me, you do *not* want to running your own mailing lists	on your own software.		:You'll wind up crying in a dark room looking for something	(high-voltage to stick your fingers into.		Regards,		Vin			-- 	'Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie	Khttp://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information.	$List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie		text
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Hash: SHA1		DYour actual serial number is 1519761310 - from a dig I've just done.		LTry resetting the zone number to 2002082901 - some of your secondaries seem 	Ito have a serial number below that, so they clearly regard 1519761310 as 	being less than 2002082601.		4That should enable them to pick up the new zonefile.		T.		-At 11:49 02/09/2002 +0100, Ray Dermody wrote:	>Hi All,	@>The serial number in our hosts files on our DNS server has gone	8>corrupt e.g. 2002082999999999901 should be 20002082901.	C>Its okay to set this back to todays date but I understand that our	E>secondary and terninary DNS servers will only update from the master	H>hosts file if the master host serial number is greater than the current	!>serial number in the hosts file.	E>Is there any way I can reset this on the secondary and terninary DNS		>servers?	>	>Ray Dermody	>Computing Services Technician	>I.T. Carlow	>0503 76271	>	>	>--	(>Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie	L>http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information.	%>List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie		>VIA NET.WORKS Ireland is a wholly owned Limited Irish Company.	CAlthough connected to the VIA Global Network, VIA NET.WORKS Ireland	>is separate from and is not owned by VIA NET.WORKS Inc. or any	'member of the VIA NET.WORKS Inc. Group.	-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----	FVersion: PGPfreeware 7.0.3 for non-commercial use 		@iQA/AwUBPXNFo76WYZbx1eG3EQLfNwCfakNapOkbg26j1jqQQEHgIWFd4s0AoP4J	GLBtgr1K8fzYlnnRNcfT3fSt	=Rurr	-----END PGP SIGNATURE-----			-- 	'Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie	Khttp://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information.	$List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie		text
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Precedence	List-Id	X-Beenthere		From-init	Hi All,		CDamian Conway is in Belfast this week. He will be giving two talks:		7o Perl 6 - Tuesday, 3rd September, 7pm, Jury's, Belfast	Io Quantum::Superpositions - Thursday, 5th September, 7pm, Jury's, Belfast		$He is also doing training courses...	)    http://www.kasei.com/training/damian/		Wesley.		-- 	'Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie	Khttp://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information.	$List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie		text
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Precedence	List-Id	X-Beenthere		From-init@	=         |::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::|		6                IT's Monday 520      02 September 2002		8              |::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::|				STUDENT LIFE BEGINS WITH LINUX	by	John Sterne		BThe launch last month of a marketing special interest group by the	@Irish Linux Users Group (ILUG)  -  open source and marketing, it	?seems, might not be mutually exclusive concepts  -  has already	Csparked an interesting initiative at University College Cork.  When	@the new academic year begins at UCC, every incoming student will	'be offered a copy of Red Hat Linux 7.3.		?ILUG member Braun Brelin proposed this promotion, when he ran a	@training class for staff at the UCC computer science department.	CBrelin, who is the director of technology at OpenApp, says that the	>Linux offer could be extended to any or all of the other Irish	
universities.		AThe user group is tapping into an international Red Hat programme	@that aims to introduce students at all levels to the open source	?style of computing.  The Linux distributor runs an 'educational	>channel' to reach this audience, bundling educational software	=with its operating environment and offering networked support	Eservices to eligible applicants.  This scheme was originally designed	Eto suit the educational structures in the US, but is now available to	.schools and universities throughout the world.		:Red Hat Linux 7.3 incorporates ease of use and maintenance	Dfeatures and is intended to counter objections that Linux is hard to	master on personal systems.		DThe Linux-for-all project at UCC could also raise the profile of Red	DHat Ireland.  Based in Cork, this operation has run shared financial	Cservices for other Red Hat offices in Europe since 2000.  Until now	>its involvement with users in Ireland has been fairly limited,	Aalthough it does sometimes refer them to other Red Hat offices in	;Europe that offer consulting or technical support services.		CDavid Owens, Red Hat's director of global logistics and production,	Bsees the formation of the ILUG marketing group as a reason to take	Ca more proactive approach.  In the last three months, he notes, his	:office in Cork has received more and more calls from Irish	Bcompanies that are interested in adopting Linux and has introduced	&some to Red Hat pre-sales consultants.			
-------------	HMany thanks are due to Braun and David for working together on this one.		Regards	L.		-- 	'Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie	Khttp://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information.	$List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie		text
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Message-Id	Content-Transfer-Encoding	X-Mailer		From-init'	Vernon,		?I'm changing the instructions in the SpamAssassin INSTALL file 	
right now to:		tar xfvz dcc-dccproc.tar.Z	cd dcc-dccproc-X.X.X	#./configure && make && make install	cdcc 'info'			?Let me know ASAP if that's innapropriate, since we're shipping 	2.40 today!		C		BOn Monday, September 2, 2002, at 10:02  AM, Vernon Schryver wrote:		8>> Here are the instructions in the spamassassin README:	>>	#>>     # tar xfvz dcc-dccproc.tar.Z	>>     # cd dcc-dccproc-X.X.X	,>>     # ./configure && make && make install	>>     # cdcc 'new map'	$>>     # cdcc 'add dcc.rhyolite.com'	>>     # cdcc 'info'	>	A> That's ok, except that the 'new map' and "add dcc.rhyolite.com'	B> are respectively unnecessary and wrong.  The map file that comes	E> with the source points to localhost and dcc.dcc-servers.net.  Those	D> two shipped entries usually do the right thing if there is a local	D> server.  If there is no local server or if the local server fails,	F> requests are instantly sent to one of the public server names listed	> in the main DCC web page at	<> http://www.rhyolite.com/anti-spam/dcc/ and http://www.dcc-	> servers.net/dcc/	2> dcc.rhyolite.com has not been listed for months.			text
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Precedence		List-Help		List-Post	List-Subscribe	List-Id	List-Unsubscribe	List-Archive	X-Original-Date	Date		From-init	!Here's a weird and wacky problem:		II'm currently out of the country with my trusty Evo N600c laptop. When I 	Gtried to use the serial port to talk to my mobile phone, Linux behaved 	Fpretty much as if the port was fried. Bizarre, I thought, because I'd 	Iused it successfully while in the office. The only difference was that I 	Iwas trying the thing in the hotel. I entertained brief notions of having 	Fsomehow fried the serial drivers, then rebooted the laptop to Windows 	Eand tried again. Worked perfectly. Back to Linux. Still not talking. 	IConsidered that it might be flaky power, so I ran the laptop on battery. 	DNope. Tried moving the laptop to a differnet part of the room where 	Hthere might be less bogon flux. Still not working. Eventually I gave up 	Hand used the IrDA port instead - which is usually the serial connection 	#of doom, grief, and teeth-grinding.		GThis morning, in the office, the damn thing is working without a hitch.		FAnyone like to suggest what mystery technology is in use in the hotel 	4that prevents serial ports from working under Linux?		Cheers,	Waider.	-- 	3waider@waider.ie / Yes, it /is/ very personal of me		-- 	'Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie	Khttp://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information.	$List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie			text
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Precedence	List-Unsubscribe	Date	Subject	Reply-To	Content-Type	Content-Transfer-Encoding	X-MIME-Autoconverted		From-init~	The Scotsman		 Thu 22 Aug 2002 		 Meaningful sentences 	 	 Tracey Lawson 	 	 	M If you ever wanted to look like "one of the most dangerous inmates in prison	O history", as one judge described Charles Bronson, nows your chance. Bronson -	H the serial hostage taker, not the movie star - has written a health and	J fitness guide in which he shares some of the secrets behind his legendary	 muscle power. 	 	O Solitary Fitness - a title which bears testament to the fact that Bronson, 48,	N has spent 24 of his 28 prison years in solitary confinement - explains how he	N has turned himself into a lean, mean, fitness machine while living 23 hours a	K day in a space just 12 feet by eight feet, on a diet of scrubs grub and at	 virtually no cost. 	 	M The book is aimed at those who want to get fabulously fit without spending a	J fortune on gym memberships, protein supplements or designer trainers, and	N starts with a fierce attack on some of the expensive myths churned out by the	 exercise industry. 	 	O "I pick up a fitness mag, I start to laugh and I wipe my arse with it," is the	N opening paragraph penned by Bronson. "Its a joke and a big con and they call	8 me a criminal!" You cant help feeling he has a point. 	 	M This is not the first book that Bronson has written from behind bars, having	L already published Birdman Opens His Mind, which features drawings and poems	H created by Bronson while in prison. And he is not the first prisoner to	H discover creative expression while residing at Her Majestys pleasure. 	 	N Jimmy Boyle, the Scots sculptor and novelist, discovered his artistic talents	K when he was sent to Barlinnie Prisons famous special unit, which aimed to	I help inmates put their violent pasts behind them by teaching them how to	I express their emotions artistically. Boyle was sentenced to life for the	O murder of "Babs" Rooney in 1967. Once released, he moved to Edinburgh where he	L has become a respected artist. His first novel, Hero of the Underworld, was	N published in 1999 and his autobiography, A Sense of Freedom, was made into an	 award-winning film. 	 	M Hugh Collins was jailed for life in 1977 for the murder of William Mooney in	H Glasgow, and in his first year in Barlinnie prison stabbed three prison	E officers, earning him an extra seven-year sentence. But, after being	K transferred to the same unit that Boyle attended, he learned to sculpt and	N developed an interest in art. He later published Autobiography of a Murderer,	K a frank account of Glasgows criminal culture in the 1960s, which received	 critical praise. 	 	O And Lord Archer doesnt seem to have had trouble continuing to write the books	K that have made him millions while in jail. He recently signed a three-book	M deal with Macmillan publishers worth a reported 10 million, and is no doubt	 scribbling away as we speak. 	 	E So why is it that men like Collins, Bronson and Boyle, who can be so	N destructive towards society on the outside, can become so creative once stuck	M on the inside? Steve Richards, Bronsons publisher, has published many books	J about criminal figures and believes the roots of this phenomenon are both	 pragmatic and profound. 	 	K He says: "Prison is sometimes the first time some criminals will ever have	I known a stable environment, and this can be the first time they have the	+ chance to focus on their creative skills. 	 	J "It may also be the first time that they have really had the chance of an	K education, if their early years have been hard. It could be the first time	H anyone has offered them the chance to explore their creative talents." 	 	K However, Richards believes the reasons are also deeper than that. He says:	N "Once they are behind bars, the cold light of day hits them, and they examine	# the very essence of who they are. 	 	M "They ask themselves, am I a man who wants to be remembered for violence? Or	N am I a man who can contribute to society, who can be remembered for something	 good?" 	 	M Bronson - who was born Michael Gordon Peterson, but changed his name to that	M of the Hollywood star of the Death Wish films - has, so far, been remembered	J mainly for things bad. He was originally jailed for seven years for armed	N robbery in 1974, and has had a series of sentences added to his original term	I over the years as a result of attacking people in prison. In 2000 he was	N jailed for life after being convicted of holding a teacher hostage for nearly	 two days during a jail siege. 	 	I Standing five feet ten and a half inches tall and weighing 210lbs, he is	L renowned for his strength. He has bent metal cell doors with his bare hands	O and does up to 3,000 - yes, 3,000 - press-ups a day. As he puts it: "I can hit	J a man 20 times in four seconds, I can push 132 press ups in 60 seconds." 	 	H But judging by our current obsession with health and exercise, Solitary	I Fitness might be the book which will see Bronsons face sitting on every	N coffee table in the land. He might be the man to give us the dream body which	N so many so-called fitness gurus promise but fail to motivate us into. Because	I Bronson has learned to use words as powerfully as he can use his fists. 	 	L "All this crap about high-protein drinks, pills, diets, its just a load of	K bollocks and a multi-million-pound racket," he writes, in what can only be	L described as a refreshingly honest style. "We can all be fat lazy bastards,	M its our choice, Im sick of hearing and reading about excuses, if you stuff	= your face with shit you become shit, thats logical to me." 	 	M As motivational mantras go, that might be just the kick up the, er, backside	 we all needed. 	 	 	O Solitary Fitness by Charles Bronson is published by Mirage Publishing and will	1 be available in bookstores from October at 7.99			H------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~-->	4 DVDs Free +s&p Join Now	8http://us.click.yahoo.com/pt6YBB/NXiEAA/mG3HAA/7gSolB/TM	H---------------------------------------------------------------------~->		1To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:	 forteana-unsubscribe@egroups.com		 		JYour use of Yahoo! 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    Mon, 7 Oct 2002 10:35:39 +0100 (IST)	D <53964.137.43.13.22.1033983339.squirrel@squirrelmail.netsoc.ucd.ie>	# Re: [ILUG] adsl router modem combo	 	 	1 <00bc01c26d85$20bb29d0$578691c2@1wzffgdp93mz5jv>	1 <00bc01c26d85$20bb29d0$578691c2@1wzffgdp93mz5jv>	 3	 Normal	 	 SquirrelMail (version 1.2.8)	 1.0	 text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1	 8bit	 ilug-admin@linux.ie	 ilug-admin@linux.ie	 ilug@linux.ie	 2.0.11	 bulk	, 	 	b ,
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Precedence		List-Help		List-Post	List-Subscribe	List-Id	List-Unsubscribe	List-Archive	X-Original-Date	Date		From-init*	?having great fun trying to find a dumb ADSL modem with Ethernet	Ipresentation, everybody wants to sell routers but I intend on doing pppoe	Hfrom another device, something with more than one Ethernet port would be	nice.	!anybody got any recommendations ?		Uly		----- Original Message -----	From: 	To: 	Cc: 	'Sent: Monday, October 07, 2002 10:35 AM	+Subject: Re: [ILUG] adsl router modem combo			J> It seems to only support PPPoA and not PPPoE. You need one that supports	I> PPPoE, if you want torun it in routed IP mode. If you are using it as a	I> bridge, it'll probably work, but you'd be left leaving the computer on,	5> which would defeat the purpose of getting a router.	>	I> The best router I've come accross is the Zyxel 643. Eircom supply this,	F> but if you have alook online you can probably find it cheaper to buy	 > online from America or the UK.	>	> Hope this is useful,	> Joe	>	>	> --	)> Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie	@> http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription	information.	&> List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie	>		-- 	'Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie	Khttp://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information.	$List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie			text
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Precedence		List-Help		List-Post	List-Subscribe	List-Id	List-Unsubscribe	List-Archive	X-Original-Date	Date		From-init*	FOn Sun, Oct 06, 2002 at 11:10:05PM +0100, Declan de Lacy Murphy wrote:	H> I am planning to get i-stream solo and share it across a small network	N> (wireless), but I don't want to have to pay eircom for a router and having a	D> noisy pc running constantly isn't really an option because at home	$> inevitably someone will unplug it.	> 	L> I have been looking at a number of products and although I read the thread	N> about eircom needing pppoe last august I am still not sure if the one that I	E> am interested in will do the job. It is a hawking technology ar 710	L>  http://www.hawkingtech.com/products/ar710.htm ) and if it does the job it	<> will actually be cheaper than the modem eircom is selling.	> 	L> I would really appreciate if someone could look at the spec on the hawking	"> web page and give me an opinion.	> 	> Thanks in advance	> 	> Declan	> 		9I got the DSL-W 906E from http://www.dsl-warehouse.co.uk.		HThough it's not at all the best one around I have to say it does the job	Iand a bit. Some of the features can be a pain to get working (ie. pptp in	Ipppoe mode - can't figure it out). The documentation is not the best, but	Ethe guys from http://www.dsl-warehouse.co.uk will help you ouit. They	also have a message board.		@The command line interface is quite powerful, but absolutely not	
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Ananova: 	&Man admits Soham kidnapping hoax calls		@A man has admitted making hoax calls to police investigating the	Cdisappearance of Soham schoolgirls Jessica Chapman and Holly Wells.	JWrexham Magistrates Court, in North Wales, heard jobless Howard Youde made	Ethree calls to police in Cambridgeshire claiming to have abducted the	youngsters.	HHe was arrested in Wrexham in the early hours of August 16 when officers	:traced the call to a phone box on the town's Brook Street.	LThe 45-year-old, of Queensway, Hope, near Wrexham, has pleaded guilty to one	4count of wasting police time on August 15 this year.	LThe court was told Youde claimed to have no recollection of making the calls	having been drinking all day.	GDefence lawyer Mark Arden says the offence was neither premeditated nor	-calculated but added that this was no excuse.	JHe said: "What he's done is horrific. It's unforgivable. The distress he's	%caused the families is unacceptable."	KYoude has been released on unconditional bail until November 7 when he will	
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>>  >Terry	>>	F>>  Great, and right now all my pre '98s are in Washington state, in a	H>>  cardboard box in a shed in the back of Sydde's garage. Probably mice	G>>  nests by now. :-(  Put a scanner on your Christmas list right above	>>  world peace!	>>  --	>>	>>  Fel	!>>  NEW!! Cafe Forteana is back: 	b>>http://www.frogstone.net/Cafe/CafeForteana.html	>	L>Maybe a kind soul with access to that issue and a scanner could scan it and	>forward to you.	>	>Terry	>		@I would appreciate that very much as I won't be getting back to 	Washington until December.	-- 			Fel	LNEW!! Cafe Forteana is back: http://www.frogstone.net/Cafe/CafeForteana.html	http://www.frogstone.net	9Weird Page: http://my.athenet.net/~felinda/WeirdPage.html		5[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]			H------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~-->	Sell a Home with Ease!	8http://us.click.yahoo.com/SrPZMC/kTmEAA/MVfIAA/7gSolB/TM	H---------------------------------------------------------------------~->		1To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:	 forteana-unsubscribe@egroups.com		 		JYour use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ 				text
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Ananova: 	1Dracula theme park could be switched to Bucharest		HA controversial scheme to build a Dracula theme park in Romania could be	 switched away from Transylvania.	JConsultants PricewaterhouseCoopers is now recommending that it be built in	Bucharest instead.	DIt comes after Prince Charles led international protests against the	Boriginal proposals to build it in the medieval town of Sigishoara.	LPricewaterhouseCoopers name Bucharest, originally believed to be an outsider	Ein the race to host the park, as the most profitable location for the	project.	IBut that has angered residents in Sigishoara, where Vlad the Impaler, the	Iinspiration for Dracula, was born. They are counting on the park to boost	the local economy.	LEvenimentul Zilei reports that Sigishoara was placed behind the capital with	-the Black Sea port of Constanta third choice.	JDorin Danesan, mayor of Sigishoara, said: "The pre-feasibility report from	HPWC shows that the park would attract more tourists if it was located in	JBucharest. But I still think that Sigishoara is the best location for it."	KThe park would include hotels, a Dracula roller coaster, catacombs, a ghost	Jtrain and a house of horrors, as well as vampire dungeons located around a	:reconstruction of Dracula's castle and an artificial lake.	HThe project has also been objected to by the world heritage organisation	*Unesco fearing Sigishoara might be spoilt.	GPricewaterhouseCoopers is to present its final report on the project on	October 15.	+Story filed: 13:16 Tuesday 8th October 2002		H------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~-->	Plan to Sell a Home?	8http://us.click.yahoo.com/J2SnNA/y.lEAA/MVfIAA/7gSolB/TM	H---------------------------------------------------------------------~->		1To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:	 forteana-unsubscribe@egroups.com		 		JYour use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ 				text
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